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originally posted by: msallo
a reply to: Boeing777
I would not fly on a plane captained by a Mohammad.
originally posted by: muse7
So a pilot breaks protocol by leaving the cockpit without letting a flight attendant know, then on top of that the co pilot has a medical emergency.
two extreme coincidences.
Kind of agreeing with the CNN guy in thinking that this looks more and more nefarious
More than 24 hours after one of the worst aviation disasters in French history, no one seems sure who exactly was on board.
The authorities initially announced that the crash had claimed the lives of 150 people, 144 passengers, four crew and two pilots. But the nationalities of those on board are unknown.
The passenger manifest has remained secret, and as passengers on board the flight only needed to show their passport - no record appears to have been taken as they left Barcelona airport.
originally posted by: Rocker2013
This isn't exactly true though, is it.
Just because they haven't released a list of names for the press to paw over doesn't make this any more suspicious.
When has there ever been a full list of names released to the press after an event like this? I can't recall that ever happening before.
Bild has named the captain as Patrick S. He was the father of two children. He flew for over ten years for Lufthansa and Germanwings and had completed more than 6,000 flight hours on the Airbus 320.
The paper names the First Officer as Andreas L. He was "young". He was from Montabaur, in Rhineland-Palatinate. He had 630 flight hours. He joined Germanwings in September 2013 straight from the Lufthansa Flight Training School in Bremen.
Andreas died as First Officer on the tragic flight. Andreas became a member of the association as a teenager, he wanted to realise his dream of flying. He began as a gliding student and made it to become a pilots on an Airbus 320.
He was able to fulfill his dream, the dream he has now so dearly paid for with his life. The members of the LSC Westerwald mourn Andreas and the other 149 victims of the disaster on March 24, 2015.
Our deepest sympathy goes out to the families. We will not forget Andrew. The members of the Luftsportclub Westerwald.
originally posted by: Mclaneinc
so, why has flying suddenly become less safe with standards still high?
They're designed for just that. Exactly that. One thing is for sure. After this investigation they're going to need to redesign the CVR/CDR
originally posted by: Talliostro
a reply to: kidcraig
Not really. the plane travelled 700-800 km/h and crashed into massive rock.
It's more a wonder that both recorders didn't get pulverized like most of the plane...
originally posted by: Rocker2013
The report I've just read on the BBC states that Lufthansa doesn't have a procedure to ensure there are always two people in the cockpit. To make this even worse they "suggest" that one is allowed to leave the cockpit for the "minimum of time", but as this is not defined it's basically worthless to state that.
This is a failure in SOP from their perspective. There should never be such vague statements in procedures for things like this, and this lack of definition will be a focus of the case in months/years to come.
It also states that the door can be locked from the control panel. The pilot doesn't have to get up to lock or unlock it, it can be done from the seat.
It's looking more and more likely (in my opinion) that one of them left the cockpit, no cabin crew took their place, the second locked the door from the control panel for security, and then had a medical emergency rendering them incapacitated. There is no mention in the leaked report about secondary options to get into the cabin.
I'm just not buying the terrorism suggestion, for several reasons.
First, if the pilot or copilot was supposedly a terrorist, did they wait for months before their colleague needed to go to the toilet? Terrorists make their opportunity, they don't lie in wait for months until their colleague needs a wee.
If a terrorist got into the cockpit while the second stepped out for a break/toilet, why can nothing be heard to show this? There's no indication of any commotion before the pilot desperately tries to get back into the cockpit.
Finally, why would a terrorist planning to cause as much death and destruction as possible allow the plane to simply dive down into a mountain? There are plenty of targets, so why not just carry on and take a nosedive into a town or city?
None of this says terrorism to me, it's all suggesting that it was an accident, but it was brought about by the completely idiotic operating procedures by Lufthansa and the crew.
There should be two people in that cockpit at all times, there should be clear rules on how long one of the pilots is permitted to be out of the cockpit, there should be a method to open that door in the event of an emergency. If there was a method and it wasn't used, it shows that either the company failed in basic training, or the crew failed to follow procedure.