Israel must end its 50-year occupation of Palestine, the White House says

originally posted by: Avicenne

originally posted by: butcherguy
Everyone should read this thread.
Then go read the inscriptions on the Georgia Guidestones.
Guidestones sound better than what is going on worldwide.

What are you implying ?

That the world is screwed up and it might not be a bad thing if 93% of the world's population weren't here to help be part of a ticking nuclear time bomb.

This explans the Obama admistratuon love of illegal immigrants. They don't see them as illegal, the Obama administration is just ending America 150ish years of occupiyng Northern Mexico.

This is bad news.

When Israel "feels" threatened or attacked, she murders people...

Netanyahu claims still that these neighborhoods which are being erected in Palestinain territory are "Rich Arabs who should be able to own property too". He doesn't tell us that these aren't Arabs, that they are Sephardic and Mizrahi JEWS from Arab nations, that only a small % of them are actually "Arab", and that they are STILL Israeli citizens.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

If you say that Israel instigated the 6 Day War (as they did), then their entire argument falls apart. Israel's very creation and placement geographically was a mistake and act of aggression against their very SEMITIC cousins.

Yes. If everyone knew that the Arab countries were never going to attack Israel and that Israel actually preemptively attacked those Arab countries, how could they still justify the occupation?

Moreover, it would also serve as a reference point yo those that claim that Israel creates its own conflicts by its provocation. The simple truth is that Israel (those shaping policy) has forever been the most nefarious country in that region.

Furthermore, if everyone truly realized the truth behind the historical facts, one could surmise that all Middle East conflict is directly a result of israels own perverse actions.

Too bad people don't need truth to believe in something anymore.

Yes, those on this thread defending that nation are unequivocally in the wrong. They just can't admit it. Ego. It's a strong influence.

heres some good reading

AAC

a reply to: butcherguy

Where are Israelis going to go then?

AMERICA.

I'm sure, the fundamentalist hardcore Christians who bow down to their master The JEWS, shall welcome them with open arms.

originally posted by: thinline
This explans the Obama admistratuon love of illegal immigrants. They don't see them as illegal, the Obama administration is just ending America 150ish years of occupiyng Northern Mexico.

You mean like the way Mexico was occupying Native American land? The land never really belonged to Mexico in the first place they like Israel occupied another peoples land.

a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

If somebody is drawing back a fist to hit you, and you can strike faster, you do so for your own preservation. Many toothless humans will attest to learning this wisdom the hard way. The dead would attest to what happens when you're not willing to defend yourself, but ya know, they're dead, and therefore don't say a whole lot. Don't contribute a lot to the gene pool either. Pay attention to this: it may save your incisors one day.

Love the apartheid comparison. How's all that warm and fuzzy integration working out down there in SA, anyhow? Thinking of visiting there on my next vacation...I hear the native necklaces are to die for.

That's right...it's worked out about as well as Mugabe's "farming initiatives". The place is now an ultra-violent 3rd world craphole. SA is now in the 10th position from *dead last* in per capita murder. Out of 218 countries, they are #208 for this, falling somewhere in-between Columbia and Swaziland, being the well-regarded bastions of civilization that they both are.

The Liberty got attacked because it was somewhere it wasn't supposed to be and got 'mistaken' for an Egyptian ship. You don't roll a ship like that up into the middle of a war zone - they told them to keep their distance, but we had espionage to do of course and we either summarily ignored those warnings or just didn't tell the Liberty...because they wouldn't DARE attack us, right? Israel kindly told us to 'butt out' with that, and we listened intently. If they wanted the ship sunk, it would have been, and there would be nobody left to debate the finer points. This was not their goal.

And what's this about a creator, eh? This is most curious. Most people I've spoken with claim to have two of these, who had sex about 8 months or so prior to their externalization. Were you formed by some other method? Transcription errors in the cloning process might explain a few things. And what type of action is this state of 'being gappy' to which you attribute to this uni-reproductional creator being? I'm admittedly skeptical, but curious.

Maybe you haven't noticed...but lording some nebulous fear of threats from an unidentifiable creator being isn't quite holding the weight it once may have, uni-reproductional or otherwise.

originally posted by: [post=19162745]Q

If somebody is drawing back a fist to hit you, and you can strike faster, you do so for your own preservation.

There was zero evidence that any of those countries were going to attack Israel. I'll wait forever for you to find one shred of evidence to support your assertion.

And you do not start a war because you "think" someone is going to attack you. In fact, the Israeli general knew for a fact that Israel was not under any threat. Why do you overlook the point that devalues your entire position? Israeli archives have generals in war room discussions revealing that they knew for a fact that Israel,was not under any threat. So please, stop trying to convince yourself will lies.

Many toothless humans will attest to learning this wisdom the hard way. The dead would attest to what happens when you're not willing to defend yourself, but ya know, they're dead, and therefore don't say a whole lot. Don't contribute a lot to the gene pool either. Pay attention to this: it may save your incisors one day.

Dude, you're agressive war minded thought process is pathetic.

Love the apartheid comparison.

You should. Guess which African country was the only African country to immediately recognize Israel as a nation? That's right, apartheid South Africa.

How's all that warm and fuzzy integration working out down there in SA, anyhow? Thinking of visiting there on my next vacation...I hear the native necklaces are to die for.

Seriously? My god you're narrow minded.

That's right...it's worked out about as well as Mugabe's "farming initiatives". The place is now an ultra-violent 3rd world craphole. SA is now in the 10th position from *dead last* in per capita murder. Out of 218 countries, they are #208 for this, falling somewhere in-between Columbia and Swaziland, being the well-regarded bastions of civilization that they both are.

I'm going to guess you're either an active or reserve service member. Reality check, you have been indoctrinated.

The Liberty got attacked because it was somewhere it wasn't supposed to be and got 'mistaken' for an Egyptian ship. You don't roll a ship like that up into the middle of a war zone - they told them to keep their distance, but we had espionage to do of course and we either summarily ignored those warnings or just didn't tell the Liberty...because they wouldn't DARE attack us, right? Israel kindly told us to 'butt out' with that, and we listened intently. If they wanted the ship sunk, it would have been, and there would be nobody left to debate the finer points. This was not their goal.

There there misinformed soldier.

I don't know where to start. Should I start with the fact that the Egyptian boat that they claimed they mistook the us liberty for was 1/4 the tonnage and 1/3 the size. Are they that incompenant?

Or what about the Israeli pilot that was arrested for refusing to bomb the U.S. liberty after he radioed back that it was an American ship and was told to attack anyway?

Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.

Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.

The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery. [Washington Report]

Or why don't you listen to the surviving sailors who have tried to get a real investigation into the attack but are continuously denied?

Face it, all you're doing is reiterating lame excuses told to the sheep. The evidence squashes that excuse. You just refuse to look into the subject without bias.

And what's this about a creator, eh? This is most curious. Most people I've spoken with claim to have two of these, who had sex about 8 months or so prior to their externalization. Were you formed by some other method? Transcription errors in the cloning process might explain a few things. And what type of action is this state of 'being gappy' to which you attribute to this uni-reproductional creator being? I'm admittedly skeptical, but curious.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you mental?

Maybe you haven't noticed...but lording some nebulous fear of threats from an unidentifiable creator being isn't quite holding the weight it once may have, uni-reproductional or otherwise.

I get it now, you're an atheist that doesn't care about morals and humanity.

No worries. I won't waste my time trying to present facts to people that dont care about what is right versus wrong.

AAC

a reply to: daaskapital

Maybe they should have thought about this before they attacked the Israelis. Palestinians started the problem and have continued it. No sympathy.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Why don't you read the whole thread. You might learn something.

No one ever attacked Israel first. Why don't you put your brain to work? Stop allowing other people to dictate your truth.

AAC

a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

SAtellite photos and military intelligence was warned in israel that the egyptians had plans to strike first with their air forces. Th egyptians will verify this if you ask or read their war plans tghey were going to use.

They can do that right after we give back territory we took in the spanish american war.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: AnAbsoluteCreation

SAtellite photos and military intelligence was warned in israel that the egyptians had plans to strike first with their air forces. Th egyptians will verify this if you ask or read their war plans tghey were going to use.

What? No. Absolutely not. Please show me anywhere that claims Egypt was going to attack. I'll wait forever.

Listen, just listen, I know the facts behind this war from beginning to end. I've read every war document, historical witness accounts, military and newspaper archives, and declassified transcripts from generals in the fight. Please do not waste your time posting some ridiculous claim that has no basis of truth in order to satisfy your belief system.

Israel was the aggressor. Plain and simple. The six day war happened over water. Most people don't know this but water is what led to israels multilateral attack.

Tension grew when Israel launched a diversion project on a nine-mile channel midway between the huleh Marshes and Lake Tiberias in the central DMZ (demilitarized zone). The plan was to divert enough water to help irrigate the coastal Sharon Plain and eventually the Negev desert. But Israel did this without consulting Jordan, Syria or Egypt. And per the international mandated peace treaty this was illegal. They were stealing water from their neighbors. That's a big deal as water is the lifeline for any country.

That said, Egypt tried to get the international community to Intervene. In response to Israel stealing water, they put a blockade on the straights so Israel couldn't move through the trading waterways. Then, after a false rumor by the Soviet Union about an Israeli attack, Egypt mobilized their military to defend their country with infantry. They did not mobilize their Air Force for an attack. And then Israel creates a preemptive steak destroying all of Syrian and Egyptian fighter planes.

If Egypt and Syria was going to attack, how did Israel destroy their entire air fleet in one day? Because they weren't mobilized. Duh. If they were going yo attack Israel, their planes wouldve been mobilized. Duh.

You can believe what you want. But the truth is exactly what I said.

AAC

originally posted by: AnAbsoluteCreation
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Why don't you read the whole thread. You might learn something.

No one ever attacked Israel first. Why don't you put your brain to work? Stop allowing other people to dictate your truth.

AAC

Ignorance is sad. Palestinians attacked first and REFUSED a 2 state solution.

The League demanded independence for Palestine as a “unitary” state, with an Arab majority and minority rights for the Jews.

The League’s Political Committee met in Sofar, Lebanon, on 16–19 September, and urged the Palestine Arabs to fight partition, which it called “aggression,” “without mercy.” The League promised them, in line with Bludan, assistance “in manpower, money and equipment” should the United Nations endorse partition.

The League vowed, in very general language, “to try to stymie the partition plan and prevent the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine.

SOURCE:
Benny Morris (2008). 1948: a history of the first Arab-Israeli war. Yale University Press. pp. 66, 67, 72

In the immediate aftermath of the General Assembly's vote on the Partition plan, the explosions of joy among the Jewish community were counterbalanced by the expression of discontent among the Arab community.

In the immediate aftermath of the General Assembly's vote on the Partition plan, the explosions of joy among the Jewish community were counterbalanced by the expression of discontent among the Arab community.

www.old.endignorance.org...–1948-civil-war-mandatory-palestine

The first casualties after the adoption of Resolution 181(II) by the General Assembly were passengers on a Jewish bus driving on the Coastal Plain near Kfar Sirkin on 30 November. An eight-man gang from Jaffa ambushed the bus killing five and wounding others. Half an hour later they ambushed a second bus, southbound from Hadera, killing two more. At other places, Arab snipers skirmished Jewish buses in Jerusalem and Haifa

Maybe you can look up the battle of Tel Hai back in the 1920's when Arabs attacked a Jewish town. The town was evacuated and burnt to the ground by Arabs.

Shortly after Palestinian Arabs began protesting Jewish immigration, and Haj Amin al-Husseini started riots against the Jews, killing 5 Jews. At the end of the 1920's over 60 Jews were murdered in Hebron by Arabs.

Haha. You disregard heavy evidence and then reply with that? You are brainwashed.

Anyone would've walked away from those negotiations. Don't act like it was a real two-state solution. That it was not. Jews were only 7% of population and being given 55% of the land. More importantly, the land with access to all the water resources. That wasn't a solution, it was a joke.

Please, don't even reply if you're going to respond with that negligence.

AAC

originally posted by: AnAbsoluteCreation
Haha. You disregard heavy evidence and then reply with that? You are brainwashed.

Anyone would've walked away from those negotiations. Don't act like it was a real two-state solution. That it was not. Jews were only 7% of population and being given 55% of the land. More importantly, the land with access to all the water resources. That wasn't a solution, it was a joke.

Please, don't even reply if you're going to respond with that negligence.

AAC

Your ignorance is astounding.

800,000 Jews vs. 1,200,000 Arabs. 7% of the population? Simply false, like everything else you claim.

originally posted by: Granite
a reply to: daaskapital

Then President Clinton offered all PLO demands and Arafat walked away in 1996.

A two-state solution thrown away...

PLO only wants a one state solution and the only way they see it being done is when all Israelis are dead.

Without the Israelis there there would be nothing but desert anyway.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: daaskapital

Where are Israelis going to go then?

Easter Island would be a good place...1000's of miles from anybody they could kill.

originally posted by: MysterX

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: daaskapital

Where are Israelis going to go then?

Easter Island would be a good place...1000's of miles from anybody they could kill.

Since the Palestinians started this, let's send them there. Problem solved.