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reply posted on 20-12-2004 @ 03:00 PM by parrhesia
Originally posted by infinite
It will only be a matter of time before they ask for Sharia Law to be used in this country.


You're probably right.

Though this isn't regarding Britain, it's an example of things going on with regard to separate religious laws in Canada. This may be of interest to you:


One Law For All

The cornerstone of a modern, multicultural nation such as Canada is an impartial legal code that governs everyone equally, no matter what their ethnic origin, religion, sex, race or age. Aside from immigration law, our statutes and regulations apply equally to aboriginals, United Empire Loyalists and the newest refugee claimants.

This equal treatment under the law is at the heart of what it is to be a Canadian. Religious-based laws - Christian, Muslim, Jewish or any other - have no place in our system.



reply posted on 22-12-2004 @ 05:48 AM by infinite
Originally posted by parrhesia

One Law For All

The cornerstone of a modern, multicultural nation such as Canada is an impartial legal code that governs everyone equally, no matter what their ethnic origin, religion, sex, race or age. Aside from immigration law, our statutes and regulations apply equally to aboriginals, United Empire Loyalists and the newest refugee claimants.

This equal treatment under the law is at the heart of what it is to be a Canadian. Religious-based laws - Christian, Muslim, Jewish or any other - have no place in our system.



Thank you for that
Religious laws should not be apart of our system either



reply posted on 19-1-2005 @ 10:19 AM by astrocreep
You cannot have two or more sets of laws for ethnic groups in a country because inadvertently, they must interact. I think some of you are missing the bigger picture here. If muslims were immigrating because they wanted to become a part of the british society, why would they be inspired to change the law to reflect the country they just fled? Why not just stay if you like it so well?

Far be it for me to project intent but I'm going to give my opinion, like it or not, here it is.

Its my opinion, the true goal of the muslim community isn't to change british law for their group alone but to, over time, systematically bring the entire population under their law and control. We saw a bold attempt to establish a tie to the throne through Diana and Dodi Fayed. Their marraige and offspring would have provided more than enough of a claim for the radical militant group to aspire to power. Legitimacy has never been something this group has stopped to worry about and I doubt they would have given it a second thought this time.

With that plan foiled, they now repress back into the original design of over-taking the population and ultimatly the government.

Its happeneing to a lesser extent in the US as well. Until the muslims began to come here, most immigrants had chosen to adapt the American lifestyle while still clinging personally to the culture they felt was most important and even allowing it to spread and mold into society but this is a different intent. This is an intent to overtake and I agree that the UK is at a critical point.


reply posted on 19-1-2005 @ 12:14 PM by sminkeypinkey
Originally posted by astrocreep
Its my opinion, the true goal of the muslim community isn't to change british law for their group alone but to, over time, systematically bring the entire population under their law and control.


- Even if this were so (a vast if - beyond the most ding-bat handfull) how on earth would this be accomplished given the numbers?

In any case where is the evidence that 'the Muslim community' in Britain wants to turn Britian into a Muslim state?

We saw a bold attempt to establish a tie to the throne through Diana and Dodi Fayed. Their marraige and offspring would have provided more than enough of a claim for the radical militant group to aspire to power. Legitimacy has never been something this group has stopped to worry about and I doubt they would have given it a second thought this time.


- That's a very funny idea.

The fact is what you saw was two ultra wealthy single people going out together before they died.

Diana was divorced from Charles. Neither she nor any subsequent off-spring would have had any claim to the British throne in any way.

With that plan foiled, they now repress back into the original design of over-taking the population and ultimatly the government.


- I'm sorry but your basic premise is all wrong.
There was no 'plan'.
Diana liked/loved Dodi and they would have maybe married and been an embarrassment to the Monarchy in the UK especially if they had had children because British society for all our progressive values would have been a tad wide-eyed about that kind of thing.

But it would certainly not have been about an alternate claim on the throne, that is just plain wrong.

Its happeneing to a lesser extent in the US as well. Until the muslims began to come here, most immigrants had chosen to adapt the American lifestyle while still clinging personally to the culture they felt was most important and even allowing it to spread and mold into society but this is a different intent.


- I would simply ask if you went to a country so utterly foreign to you and your culture would you not live in an ex-pat community and try to recreate a little of 'home'?
Ex-pat communities from Europe and the US have done this for years.
Our people would love a change in Saudi law for instance so that they could booze without risk of legal and harsh physical punishment. It doesn't mean they would be trying to 'westernise' Saudi Arabia though does it?

Why does this have to be seen as in any way sinister?

This is an intent to overtake and I agree that the UK is at a critical point.


- Nonsense. We have a tiny minority of Muslims here in the UK. There is no feasible way they could 'take over'.
Relax. It isn't going to happen.

[edit on 19-1-2005 by sminkeypinkey]


reply posted on 20-1-2005 @ 07:19 AM by astrocreep
SminkeyPinkey, you may say "nonsense" and claim no evidence for my opinion...but that too is only your opinion.

Its my opinion that the premise I put forth is credible given what I have observed. There is a difference between an immigrant wanting to bring their endearing culture along with them(...in fact, here in the US, the definition of American Society is but a mixture of these) and a group who intends to alter the rest of society around them to their culture whether they want it or not. That line may lie under purposfully muddied water but its still there.

If you wish to ignore the critical point the UK is reaching, thats up to you but for someone who studies cause and event, we see all the evidence we need.

Why else would a bonifide liberal such as Tony Blair risk so much to back GW Bush who lies on the other side of the issue? Because, in reality, the problem is much worse than publicized. The money to open and run mosque in the UK was coming straight out of the middle east namely Iraq. By cutting the flow of cash, the UK feels they may have slowed the inevitable but I feel they do now realize, it is inevitable.

In mosque in the UK the goals are openly preached. The muslim community there now doesn't deny their intentions.

In the beginning, no one saw Napoleon or Hitler as a threat either. History is filled with just this type of infiltration and takeover. So, in a way, its a natural progression of human nature but that doesn't make it any less bitter to those who are going to suffer it.

My opinion only as I have said. No one can accuratly predict the future. Through studying the past, some of us can see it begin to repeat. Of course history is too filled with those who never saw it coming.


reply posted on 20-1-2005 @ 11:00 AM by sminkeypinkey
Originally posted by astrocreep
SminkeyPinkey, you may say "nonsense" and claim no evidence for my opinion...but that too is only your opinion.


- I am simply saying that the kind of sweeping claims of a 'take-over' you make - particularly your notions involving the British Crown - are wrong.

Firstly there are nowhere near enough Muslims in the UK for this 'threat' to be credible and secondly no matter what minor alterations in the law we agree to make to permit Muslims to manage their own affairs in a way they prefer is no skin off of our nose and, again, nothing like a 'take-over'.

Why else would a bonifide liberal such as Tony Blair risk so much to back GW Bush who lies on the other side of the issue? Because, in reality, the problem is much worse than publicized.


- I do not agree. At all.
I think TB's agreement to go along with this 'WOT' stuff was all about maintaining the geo-political 'shape' of the world despite a US President determined to sacrifice it all to get his way.
TB (correctly IMHO) saw it as better in the long-term to maintain the British/European 'link' to the US and that this sustained 'linkage' might help moderate the worst instincts of the nutter 'neo-con' element currently running the US gov.

This is not actually about 'religion' at all - except in so far as moderating the lunatic evangelical fundamentalist segment of the present US gov as they react and respond to another bunch of lunatic Muslim fundamentalists.

The money to open and run mosque in the UK was coming straight out of the middle east namely Iraq. By cutting the flow of cash, the UK feels they may have slowed the inevitable but I feel they do now realize, it is inevitable.


- This again is simply wrong. Nice conspiracy but 100% incorrect.

Muslims have been around long before 9/11 you know.

The London Mosque, for instance, was funded by donation, (including from the British state as recognition for the contribution of the many Muslims who fought and died on our side with great valour and distinction during WW2 www.muslim.org...) and in recent years most of that came from funds raised locally or from Saudi Arabia, nothing to do with Iraq.

(but somehow you guys - officially at least - find S.A. ok despite most of the 9/11 bombers coming from there etc etc and will break your backs bending over backwards to see Iraq in or behind everything bad.
They were not a nice bunch but you have not justified the war etc with any of this....as pretty much everyone else but the US sees perfectly clearly.)

In mosque in the UK the goals are openly preached. The muslim community there now doesn't deny their intentions.


- There are some extremists yes, just as there are extremists in most religions.
Throw in a war many see as against their religion as much as anything, that is (in their view, alog with many many others - even many people in the US) uttely unjustified and where the deaths and injuries of 'their people' are uttely ignored and what do you expect?
Applause?

Nevertheless it is not a homogenous community 'all' intent on subverting and taking over their host community. That is simply a ridiculous assertion.

The Muslim community has many voices and to pretend they 'all' - or even a majority of 'them' - 'all' want x.y or z is simply ignorant and untrue.
Again I ask if you have any evidence to back your inference or claims?

My bet is you cannot as you can only quote extremists as if they represent anything.
Get real.

In the beginning, no one saw Napoleon or Hitler as a threat either. History is filled with just this type of infiltration and takeover. So, in a way, its a natural progression of human nature but that doesn't make it any less bitter to those who are going to suffer it.


- Now, again, this is a wild flight of mere fancy detached from any reality.

For instance, tell me, which utterly foreign community did Napoleon or Hitler (and presumably 'all' their minority ethnic community along with them) come to and 'infiltrate' in order to take-over and come to power?

Hmmm?

My opinion only as I have said. No one can accuratly predict the future. Through studying the past, some of us can see it begin to repeat. Of course history is too filled with those who never saw it coming.


- It has not been my intention to flame you but the conclusions you are drawing are not at all related to the previous events you quote.

Diana and Dodi Fayed had nothing to do with a Muslim attempt to 'take' the British Crown - how could they have for goodness sake?

Muslims represents approx 1.6 million of the approx 60million UK population - many of them born here and absorbing British culture - and they are not going to take anything over.

I'd advise a little more study of the reality of the situation and that you think a lot more in terms of the realistic and the plausible.


[edit on 20-1-2005 by sminkeypinkey]

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