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originally posted by: undo
the militant christian pic is not of a christian. that organization is a bunch of lawyers, who troll people till they get angry and then sue them for defamation and so forth.
originally posted by: peskyhumans
I just want to point out that the duck dynasty guy has a point. The only reason western atheists have morals at all is because our society inherited these morals from the church which had influence over Europeans for like two thousand years. If you read the old testament rape and murder were a common thing. "Passing children off to Moloch" which was child sacrifice was a common thing. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for the depravity of the people living there. The people living there did all of these things.
While I believe our moral compass is a spiritual thing that comes from God, I find it odd that atheists would talk about having one, when they are supposed to have no spirituality. This means their "moral compass" must be a real, physical thing. So what exactly is it? An internal organ? A chemical in the brain? An actual compass that they look at? I suspect their morals are actually guidelines inherited from Christianity (likely directly from the ten commandments) and they don't want to admit it.
If they had been atheists from someplace with little or no Christian history they probably would have a distinct lack of a moral code. But they won't admit that. It doesn't fit with their world-view.
i'm tired from years of trying to live up to everyone's expectations of what it means to be a Christian.
originally posted by: Xaphan
When people like Phil say things like this, it just reinforces my belief that as religious intensity goes up, intelligence goes down. I'll probably catch some flak for that, but there have been a few studies that prove my point.
And the rest of society is tired of living up to the expectations of what some Shepherds wrote two thousand years ago!
originally posted by: windword
No. That's not clear at all. Clearly, according to the Bible, "he" was all about the Jews, if he existed at all.
No. They're really not! But I can see that you think that 4000 year old religious rules should dictate the morality of today.
The 10 Commandments are Unnecessary, Irrelevant and Immoral
Whatever man. It wasn't Jesus. It took a war. Neither Jesus nor the God of the Old Testament give us an objective moral standard.
The very teachings of Jesus dying for our transgressions is immoral. The teaching of Original Sin is immoral. The teaching that some are chosen by God and others are not, is immoral. There's so much more immorality in the Bible and its teachings, but you're not taking any of this seriously anyway.
There is no "objective moral standard", not in the Bible and not in nature, not anywhere in the universe. Morality is all subjective, and even Christians believe that God judges them on what's in their heart, not what rules are in an old book that they follow or brake.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: AutumnWitch657
Don't forget European "settlement" *cough*invasion*cough* of the Americas.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: StalkerSolent
So how do you know that dignity is natural and not something that was created by humans to help them interact better with other humans? Your link takes me to a wikipedia page on just dignity, not natural dignity. I want to know what natural dignity is; not just dignity.