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French Alps Airbus Crash connected to 2012 French Alps Shootings?

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posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 07:04 AM
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This is probably nothing (therefore Skunk Works) but let's have a look at some interesting details:


The Annecy shootings, also the French Alps shootings or the Chevaline killings, refers to the shootings on 5 September 2012

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Four people were killed: an Iraqi-born British tourist named Saad al-Hilli, 50, his wife Iqbal, 47, her mother Suhaila al-Allaf, 74, who held a Swedish passport, and French cyclist Sylvain Mollier, 45

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A potential motive for the attack that is being investigated is Al-Hilli's past in Iraq as an engineer on sensitive topics, as well as his work at the time of his death.[1] Al-Hilli's work in the UK involved nuclear and satellite technology

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Saad Al-Hilli could have been targeted over a contract he was working on for EADS

Wikipedia - Annecy Shootings


EADS stands for European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company and in 2014

EADS was reorganised as Airbus Group combining the divisions for development and marketing of civil and military aircraft, as well as communications systems, missiles, space rockets, helicopters, satellites, and related systems.
Wikipedia - Airbus Group


So... was Saad Al-Hilli maybe involved in setting up an electronic warfare component in the French Alps that now was activated by... ?


Bonus conspiracy angle: Among the victims was opera singer Oleg Bryjak


Oleg Bryjak was born in Kasachstan in the former USSR and has appeared on opera stages all over the world, including Paris, Zurich, London, Los Angeles, Chicago, Vienna, Berlin, Munich, Sao Paolo and Tokyo.
www.olegbryjak.com
edit on 25-3-2015 by MindBodySpiritComplex because: (no reason given)




posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 07:07 AM
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a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

Don't know about a link between the a320 airbus crash and French shootings, but i will say i find it odd that the LHC suffered a major technical problem with it's massive magnets short circuiting around the same time the a320 crashed nearby...they both are on the same line of longitude too, the Prime meridian, if that is relevant or not, i don't know.

Just thought it an odd coincidence.



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

From what I remember reading in the press this shooting was about family and money issues. There was no mention of a political issue however that doesn't mean it was not an issue though.



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: MysterX

I don't understand technicalities you mention but I don't like or believe in coincidences either.



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 07:47 AM
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originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

Don't know about a link between the a320 airbus crash and French shootings, but i will say i find it odd that the LHC suffered a major technical problem with it's massive magnets short circuiting around the same time the a320 crashed nearby...they both are on the same line of longitude too, the Prime meridian, if that is relevant or not, i don't know.

Just thought it an odd coincidence.



What does LHC stand for? I wanted to find out more because it sounds interesting. Could you elaborate a little more, maybe with a link or tell me [sorry for being dim] what LHC means? Thanks.



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 07:55 AM
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a reply to: Hecate666

Large Hadron Collider ?

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: MysterX

They had problems with the Michelson and Morley interferometric when a horse rode by on the street above back in the 1880's.

So maybe the LHC is sensitive to German plane crashes on the same longitude?

Schumann resonance ?



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 08:18 AM
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originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

Don't know about a link between the a320 airbus crash and French shootings, but i will say i find it odd that the LHC suffered a major technical problem with it's massive magnets short circuiting around the same time the a320 crashed nearby...they both are on the same line of longitude too, the Prime meridian, if that is relevant or not, i don't know.

Just thought it an odd coincidence.



Worth starting a thread on even.


I don't really see a strong connection between yesterday's tragedy and this shooting incident years earlier - it's not outside the realm of possibility though!



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 08:24 AM
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originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

Don't know about a link between the a320 airbus crash and French shootings, but i will say i find it odd that the LHC suffered a major technical problem with it's massive magnets short circuiting around the same time the a320 crashed nearby...they both are on the same line of longitude too, the Prime meridian, if that is relevant or not, i don't know.

Just thought it an odd coincidence.



I think what makes it even sadder is several people actually starred that...

Anyway, as no one else bothered to spend a couple of minutes doing very, very simple research.

Each magnet in the LHC generates ~8.4T.

Bearing in mind the following figures for comparison:


1 T to 2.4 T coil gap of a typical loudspeaker magnet.[5]
1 T to 2 T inside the core of a modern 60 Hz power transformer[6][7]
1.25 T strength of a modern neodymium–iron–boron (Nd2Fe14B) rare earth magnet. A coin-sized neodymium magnet can lift more than 9 kg, pinch skin and erase credit cards.[8]
1.5 T to 3 T Strength of medical magnetic resonance imaging systems in practice, experimentally up to 8 T
9.4 T Modern high resolution research magnetic resonance imaging system; field strength of a 400 MHz NMR spectrometer

en.wikipedia.org...

Already it's pretty obvious planes should be falling out the sky every time someone has an MRI or from the speakers in the headphones, the cabin, etc. But let's look at why this 'Twilight Zone' LHC idea is so laughable.

Simplified, the magnetic field from the dipole magnet would be subject to the inverse cube relationship to distance thus:

Magnetic field at aircraft (Tesla) = 8.4 Tesla x ( 1 / (Distance to LHC (Meters)^3))

Using the crash site location to calculate distance roughly as Méolans-Revel we get 202811.123 metres.
(Using www.daftlogic.com...)

I'll be nice and round it down to 200000 metres...

So..

8.4T x (1 / (2x10^5m)^3) = 1.05 x 10^-15 T

This is absurdly small, the magnetic field from the human brain is 10^−12 T which is several orders of magnitude greater.

By your logic, the flight could have easily been brought down by the magnetic fields from the passengers brains, because they were subjecting the aircraft to a massively higher magnetic field than the LHC ever could!

If people are going to speculate about something like this, at least have the decency to check out your ideas. People died, this isn't some sort of entertainment about who can come up with the dumbest idea on what caused the crash with a little bit of The Outer Limits thrown in.



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: AgentSmith

Thanks for the debunking...I was starting to enjoy the coincidence before logic took over. He didn't say that's what he thought just mentioned a coincidence . Could still be related though



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: AgentSmith

Thanks for the debunking...I was starting to enjoy the coincidence before logic took over. He didn't say that's what he thought just mentioned a coincidence . Could still be related though


Well no it couldn't, because there's nothing it could have done to influence the aircraft in anyway.



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 08:39 AM
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There is a a 17 Hz spike in the Schutmann resonance that is due to the German and Swedish railway system.

en.wikipedia.org...

:groan:



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: AgentSmith
My point being I, and most probably everyone else, do not know at what stage of testing they were, the power requirements, what they were trying to achieve and what adverse affects there were ( exotic particals). Also demonising someone for saying coincidence and inferring that is his opinion is wrong



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

Don't know about a link between the a320 airbus crash and French shootings, but i will say i find it odd that the LHC suffered a major technical problem with it's massive magnets short circuiting around the same time the a320 crashed nearby...they both are on the same line of longitude too, the Prime meridian, if that is relevant or not, i don't know.

Just thought it an odd coincidence.



I also find it a bit too coincidental, but then again there will be many who will argue it is just that.



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: AgentSmith
My point being I, and most probably everyone else, do not know at what stage of testing they were, the power requirements, what they were trying to achieve and what adverse affects there were ( exotic particals). Also demonising someone for saying coincidence and inferring that is his opinion is wrong


The LHC isn't capable of achieving anything that doesn't happen naturally non-stop all day, every day since the dawn of time. The thing about the LHC and other colliders is that they allow the collisions to take place in a controlled environment where detailed measurements and observations can take place.
There are collision lesser than, the same and greater than what the LHC can ever produce happening above your heads right now, there always have and always will!

And as for the magnets, this isn't an episode of some crap Sci-Fi show - this is reality and there is no way they can physically do what's being implied. There are more powerful magnetic fields being produced for other experiments all the time anyway! If you think that some short circuit has caused 'a surge' and 'a pulse' or something like off Star Trek then stop watching fiction! It's disjointing you from reality.

The big problem is that the media 'spices up' what to normal people is pretty mundane stuff to make it seem more interesting and dangerous and the general public end up getting in a tizzy because they're dumb enough to fall for this crap. I find it mind boggling that a board where people claim to be critical thinkers are so gullible when it comes to some thicko on YouTube and their video or the same media they claim cannot be trusted when they're not hearing doom porn!

If you're that interested use the OP-Vistars system to monitor the LHC live, you can access most significant information displays as they see them in real time.

LHC OP-Vistars

Use the pull down at the top left to select the screen you want to view...

Jeez people are always going on that all this sort of thing is 'secret' or something but everything is available in the public domain. Stop being so gullible and falling for Sci-Fi fear mongering BS!



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: AgentSmith
I do not know what you are referring to with fear mongering doom porn..The point being the guy posted that two separate incidents happened around the same time and stated it could be a coincidence. People than enquired about it asking for more information on the LHC
. He stated several times it is most probably a coincidence, more than likely to detract people as such as yourself ridiculing a simple point , a point in which he never stated to be true. Then you come along slating his logic and and that he must think that people's brain waves brought down the plane.

inferring and putting words into people's mouths are your own insecurities. You provided scientific justification for why it can not be true is appreciated and put an end to that Train of thought for a few people. But stop hating on people that merely make a point or highlight other incidents occurring at a similar time. If your wife is leaving you or you are currently having family problems that is no need to conduct yourself in this manner.



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: AgentSmith
I do not know what you are referring to with fear mongering doom porn..The point being the guy posted that two separate incidents happened around the same time and stated it could be a coincidence. People than enquired about it asking for more information on the LHC
. He stated several times it is most probably a coincidence, more than likely to detract people as such as yourself ridiculing a simple point , a point in which he never stated to be true. Then you come along slating his logic and and that he must think that people's brain waves brought down the plane.

inferring and putting words into people's mouths are your own insecurities. You provided scientific justification for why it can not be true is appreciated and put an end to that Train of thought for a few people. But stop hating on people that merely make a point or highlight other incidents occurring at a similar time. If your wife is leaving you or you are currently having family problems that is no need to conduct yourself in this manner.


My only 'problem' is people not thinking and constantly being surrounded by people that think their 'opinion' is worth enough they have to tell the world about it, instead of spending time researching if they actually have a point. Since the Internet has become so commonplace and things like Twitter have taken off, there is an infestation of people who spend less time learning and more time spouting off their uneducated, usually hysterical and misinformed views to anyone that will listen in an addictive effort to fire the dopamine receptors in their brains when they get responses and views.

Someone crossed the road in the middle of Paris at the same time - coincidence or something else?
A butterfly flew past a window in Australia at the same time - coincidence or something else?
Someone changed cable channel at exactly the same time only 20km away - coincidence or something else?
A ship sounded it's horn coming into dock 200km away - coincidence or something else?

I guarantee a lot of things all happened at the exact moment across the entire planet, solar system and universe but it doesn't mean they are 'connected'. Anything drawing a comparison between the LHC and the plane crashing is as idiotic and irrelevant as the examples I posted above.

And if people don't feel their knowledge base is high enough to form an informed opinion then maybe instead of fingers hitting keys, eyes should be reading and studying to rectify the problem.

EDIT TO ADD:

I'm generalising a lot and most comments aren't aimed at anyone specifically in this thread, nor are some of the stronger ones aimed at anyone at all in this thread. But there does seem to be a maddening problem which is getting worse where people are more obsessed with a 'quick fix' rather than actually conducting any meaningful research.

For instance it only takes 10 minutes to find the relevant information to calculate that the magnetic field from the LHC could not affect the flight, or anything really for that matter.
There was another thread on here that even the Mods had to change the title of because someone posted a hysterical writeup from a well know font of garbage UK 'news'paper, but a little research could have shown why this was nothing to worry about.

People are constantly posting way out there ideas on lots of topics while having zero knowledge in anything relevant to the topic, they then often compare themselves to real pioneers like Tesla or Einstein - the difference is they actually were educated in the relevant areas!
A better comparison would be a fantasy or science fiction author that doesn't do any research, because when you come up with a random idea or connection that's all it is - fantasy!

You read Twitter, YouTube, forums and the comments on news sites and there are countless people that know absolutely ZERO about what they are talking about, but they think they get a meaningful say! Usually because they watched a 5 minute video or read some POS article in a tabloid newspaper (that usually they say can't be trusted) and suddenly are a self-proclaimed expert!

Would you ask your five year old for mortgage advice? If it stamps it's feet and has a tantrum does it make the advice more viable? Because that's about how useful and accurate the majority of people's opinions are about half these topics frankly. And while that's fine, to be wrong or not know, arguing and spreading garbage around isn't in my opinion.
edit on 25-3-2015 by AgentSmith because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: AgentSmith

You are an angry angry person. This is a forum designed to question your current ideology and challenge dogmas. Alot of people do not feel to justify every point they make with scientific evidence . The reason there is a correlation because apparantly it was along the same longitudinal path. That was his point. Your extreme examples although human in nature, do not make stooping to that level anymore justifiable. Why get offended by a point. At no point did he say he was correct. Posting hate mail will not resolve your issues



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: rossacus
a reply to: AgentSmith

You are an angry angry person. This is a forum designed to question your current ideology and challenge dogmas. Alot of people do not feel to justify every point they make with scientific evidence . The reason there is a correlation because apparantly it was along the same longitudinal path. That was his point. Your extreme examples although human in nature, do not make stooping to that level anymore justifiable. Why get offended by a point. At no point did he say he was correct. Posting hate mail will not resolve your issues


Yes I am, and I expanded on my post above. But answer this - why don't people carry out even 5 - 10 minutes of background checking and research to see if something even has any viability? Why are people so lazy? It seems people are more interested in creating posts or threads (or tweets/comments) than actually learning or contributing to humankind's pool of knowledge.



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: rossacus

Sorry to you and the guy I originally responded too, you're right I am getting too angry about stuff. It wasn't aimed at either of you specifically and at the same time I was getting irritated by some YouTube crap and other posts about the same thing.

Sorry....



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