12 year old girl attempts to poison mom for taking away her iphone

originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: Domo1

You know I love you, Domo.

(I totally forgot to nominate you for the funniest ATS members thread! wtf!)

Love! You only like me for my kisses!

I'll go ahead and forgive you for the oversight. Has anyone nominated whoever is in charge of the ATS side bars?

a reply to: Domo1

I did, but I only got a bunch of stars for it. Seems the practice still hasn't changed. Also, I'm a dude, so you can keep your kisses firmly planted on the backsides of your lady friends

a reply to: penroc3

I had my battery die, and my phone basically refused to hold a charge. I went a year and a half without one after that, and I didn't care at all. Mind you, I think I purchased my first cellphone at the age of 28, and I'm now 34. So I lived most of my life without one (despite the fact they were all the rage).

Where the phenomenon becomes frightening is when it ties into addiction (as someone else pointed out previously). Try taking one away from someone who has known nothing else since they were young, and see how well it goes

Is this for real? I know of a grown man who boasts openly about how neat it is to visine someone's drink, because they tangled with him. I could hardly believe my eyes. He says it will make them have diarrhea, which is the least of the damage. If it goes that far, there's a lot more damage going on than diarrhea. Coma. Death. CNS damage, labored breathing. People hang on his every word though. Once I learned this, I try to skip his ramblings. He's pretty proud of hisself, and he's old enough that he isn't changing anytime soon.

Boasting about this, on a message board.

I read about the stuff, and it really makes me wonder why it's OK to put it in the eyes.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

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a reply to: TheWhiteKnight

ok?

*backs away slowly and gets new drink*

a reply to: DeadSeraph

That's what happens when you have children growing up in an Empire like the US

No morals

Morals are not taught or expected

a reply to: DeadSeraph

The human species is royally #ed if this is the future of our youth. Kids can't even form normal bonds anymore because they are living their entire lives online before they even hit puberty.

I know a lot of people will not agree with this. I've dealt with high school kids on a daily basis for the past 20 years and what I've witnessed with the majority of high school kids, you're right on! Scary but true.

I ran into similar behavior with my ex, who gave her oldest daughter a smartphone at the age of 11 (against my advice). Not even 2 years later she was displaying severe behavioral problems, and at 14 was flirting with bulimia, self harm, and other self destructive behaviors that were trending on internet groups instead of developing healthy social habits by ACTUALLY GOING OUTSIDE AND MEETING REAL PEOPLE.

If any parent thinks cell phones are not occupying their kids daily lives 24/7 their blind. Cell phones are literally causing kids to fail and become apathetic to learning. If you don't believe this, spend a day in a high school class room and watch how students can't keep their hands off their phones!!!! Ask any teacher, it's a constant battle in the classroom to gain the attention of their students because they don't have the discipline to keep their phones in their pockets or in their lockers.

Kids are not responsible nor have the self discipline to know when it's appropriate to use their phones. I understand how a lot of parents like the safety aspect of being able to know where their kids are at all times of the day. However, the day you give your kids a smart phone, is the day you will starts seeing their school grades decline. It's like setting candy in front of a child and telling him or her not to eat it! Parents are giving their kids (candy) to text, play video games, listen to music, and watch videos 24/7! The temptation is just too great for them to handle!

I have kids failing for the sole reason their attention is focused on their cell phones and not the lesson at hand. After calling the parent and explaining to them why they're child is failing, parents will still allow their kid to have a smart phone! Technology has definitely made these kids lazy, rude and incompetent. Instead of our education system addressing this problem, they expect teachers to dumb down their curriculum. Colleges across the country are doing the same thing. This is a recipe for having a society of incompetency. The U.S. used to pride itself on the slogan, "American know how". The future slogan will be "America knows nothing". We will no longer have a populace of competent hard workers or be a leader in innovation.

I can only see this getting worse, as younger generations become accustomed to having unfettered access to the internet and subsequently provide it for their kids at even earlier stages of development.

Kids are bombarded everyday with immoral reality shows, sexually explicit music videos, music lyrics which are crude, promote violence and glorifies drug use. They have easy access to internet pornography and most of their time is spent communicating by text or Facebook instead of person to person. They also get much less physical exercise because they spend hours sitting on the sofa playing video games.

Is it any wonder why this young girl felt her mother took her life away? Everything she enjoyed doing day to day revolved around her cell phone!

a reply to: Ultralight

Society made spanking children a no-no. Children learned shortly after that they have all the power and can cause the full force of the law and social services to come down on parents and people of authority over them. I know 3 different families that had to prove to CPS that they did not cause physical harm to their child. One of these kids intintentionally smashed their hand in a door and went to school crying how her dad tried to break her hand for touching his wallet.

Kids now are unrecognizable and not children of the 60S or 70s. the age of innocence is truly over.

The laws have given more legal power to the child than their parents. They no longer have any consequences for bad behavior and they know it. It's out of control.

a reply to: WeRpeons

THANK YOU! This is probably the most well rounded, well thought out and backed up response I have seen to this thread thus far.

People are saying that you can't blame technology or the internet for this.
I say you can, to an extent.
What is the internet teaching kids? Very little consequences for their actions.
That, coupled with what an earlier posted said about lack of being able to discipline your children, are creating some serious little monsters. My own sons where around for the whole, "If your parents hit you, you can call the police" teaching in schools, and on the very late edge of "every kid having a phone".

What scares me now? My 1 & 1/2 year old grandsons know how to swipe through pictures on a phone. What are they going to be like at 12?
I'm guessing they won't want to come visit "mean" grandma at that age. Because they won't be sitting on their behinds on their phones at my house.

originally posted by: DeadSeraph
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Mine will be coming to this age soon. I think I am probably going to stay clear of controlling his smart device. No sense trying to be old school, there is no going back without an apocalypse.

I find such a defeatist attitude somewhat depressing. So because you feel the tide is coming in, you are unwilling to stand on the beach?

I hope you change your stance on this. Far be it from me to tell you what to do with your own child, but if you agree that exposing children to smartphones and internet access at such a young age can be detrimental to them, why do it with your own?

I know there will always be the argument that they can do it somewhere else. That much is true. They will be able to use their friends phones at school or at their houses, etc. That isn't really the point though. It's the principle, and when a persons only method of disciplining their child revolves around a smartphone, they are already in trouble imo.

I think you need to get with the times. We are not going back to board games and twister. I am not trying to l8ve my life vicariously through my children. I am trying to prepare them for THEIR future and treating smart devices like video games is does not align with their future.

Smart devices are going to evolve. They are not video games, they are our new way of life.

I don't think its about technology but think its about what parents put into their kids heads and their relationship with their kids. Actually however unpopular this makes me I think the kid at 12 knew exactly what she was doing and its repercussions and needed a damn good hiding - not a beating but a punishment to fit the severity of what she did - which she did twice. Sorry but won't head for the hills quickly on this because its dangerous behaviour and where is this kid going to learn to stop or is she to be left happily to do this to otthers she gets angry with?

I wanted to share my experience with smartphone issue in a relationship.

Me (near the thirties) and my wife (22y old) were togheter for 5 years, had two children, 2 years old and 10 months old.
My wife had constantly her nose in her phone chatting with friends, browsing Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, name it!
It was getting to a point where first thing she was doing in the morning instead of bonding with her husband or go get the kids out of the bed in their room and feed them; she had to go on her celle phone first and she was spending some time on there while I was doing everything with the kids.
A lot of the times she was putting her priority on her phone instead of her relationship and kids and it was really frustrating.

I had to take charge of evrything in the house by myself like the cleaning and other household tasks while she was there on the couch browsing Facebook and playing stupid games.
I told her at several occasions that her cellphone was going to make us break up, I couldn't get along with this behavior anymore...

Our relationship was drowning more and more over the months, and finally, last summer I found out she was cheating on me with a guy that she was in contact with because he was Liking all of her pictures on Instagram and they finally starting to flirt.
I went to work with her dads on his cottage on an island for the kids to come have fun when the repairs were finished and meanwhile she was flirting with this guy and I confronter her when I got back home after two weeks working at the cottage. (I saw a lot of Facebook weird activity with an unknown guy so we had I talk and she admitted it)
Before I found that was cheating on me, in the preceding weeks her phone was like a magnet to her hand and she was worst than never, she even went to chase me in the streets trying to hit me because I had her phone in my hand...

So after all that, our relationship was really struggling and we were doing couples therapy and I wanted to fix my family because I gave everything all my hearth and soul to make things work but that was too much for me. She was still seeing this guy, after severals visits at the therapist.
In the meantime I was diagnosed with mild depression and had been on a work leave.

I finally gave up on my wife because her behavior and priority over her smartphone were always there and I needed something more in my life... I met a girl that was making me feel very good and I fell in love with her (longstory short lol).
Still to this date, Im still with her and things are going well. On the other side, my ex wife starting to freak out when she saw that I found someone else and since that time, maybe 7 months or so, she is still trying to get me back because she realized she screwed up.

when I was with the mother, my kids were never in front of the tv or any technologic device whatsoever, and now, when my kids come to my new house on the weekends, first thing my son asks is to watch movies and he now knows how an ipad works and he wants to play with my cellphone all the time.... (He is 2 and a half now)

My point of view with smartphone tehcnology and kids, and people in general, is that it is very nefast to human interaction and I am the proof that it can actually destroy a family... I try not to take my cell phone out of my pocket once when I have the kids on the weekends and spend quality time with them, where the mother I think she is going the easy way and put them on front of something to distract them so she doesn't have to actually take care of them... It's sad.

P.S sorry for my so-so english, I'm french.

I hear some people that are pro-guns say that you must teach your 10 year old boy how to handle a rifle if you are a good parent...
Now, we have people in this thread that think someone who's 10 shouldn't have a smart phone.

Tools are never dangerous if you know how to use them positively so the problem here is the lack of proper technology education from parents. Let's face it, many parents are still not tech-savy and are not well equiped to explain their child what is positive and what is negative about technologies.

People with no computer skills that can't use the internet positively will be considered illeterate in school and by peers but they also need to have other activities. Kids need to learn balancing their activities but how will they learn to enjoy other activities if no one is there to teach them?

Parents need to awaken the desire to learn and create in their children. Get them interested in sports, music, arts, dancing, computer programming, electronics, carpentry, mechcanics, etc.

I feel that many people here that say kids shouldn't have access to the same technology that they use everyday are moved by fear and need to understand that their stance is based off laziness and the ignorance to properly educate their children how to use technology positively.

I honestly can't see people on this site, we mostly abhor social media allowing our children to utilize it. I may be speaking for myself but, there's more to a smartphone than social media.

Online libraries of books, music, movies just to name a few. Educational content in forms to suit every learning style. Its all in how a parent utilities their tech to set the example of how a child should be utilizing their own.

It was stated above that we don't have enough information about what happened. Here is something I can't stop thinking about. The mother went to the authorities on her own child rather than get her treatment. This is not a choice I would have made. This is not a choice I can even understand by trying to see this mothers side. So does this choice infer what type of patent this mother is?

originally posted by: Ultralight

Society made spanking children a no-no. Children learned shortly after that they have all the power and can cause the full force of the law and social services to come down on parents and people of authority over them.

Spanking has nothing to do with this. Physical violence teaches children that is how to solve a problem, or react to a problem.

The issues may be a massive disconnect and poor parenting. People these days are so worried about bling, big houses and new cars that the children are just another accessory in their miserable lives.

Maybe the issue is that the parents need their asses kicked for poor parenting skills, not knowing how to raise children, and not having at least one parent home raising the children. Oh wait we can't do that because then we'd end up with a felony for assault and battery, and in jail.

Children are F'd up these days because society is f'd up, they are a mirror of the generation that is raising, or pretending to raise them.

This is more common than you think,

And Soon these kids will run the country

We've got a 4-year-old going on 5. It's stories like this that helped weigh into our schooling decisions. He's going to place where they school old school. No devices in the classroom. If he need to contact home, they have a phone in the office. All longhand notes and stuff. Now, they aren't luddites. They do have a computer lab in the school, but especially at a young age, they expect them to learn it the hard way.

If he's not on a device at school, then the rest of the time it's just up to us to keep him policed. He can have access to our computers at home when we are there watching. He might get his own desktop, but especially at first, it won't have Internet access. That's only on our comps.

And he will not have his own phone or tablet. Not for a long, long time.

a reply to: WeRpeons

I love hearing from people who are actually on the front lines of these kinds of issues. Thank you for your contribution.

That being said...

Is it any wonder why this young girl felt her mother took her life away? Everything she enjoyed doing day to day revolved around her cell phone!

This is not a problem with technology, but a problem with parenting. Tools are designed to facilitate a need. Tools can and are abused every day. Like someone mentioned above me, guns are tools as well. The old adage "money is the root of all evil", you can save lives or destroy lives.

Because of her parents, her phone was her life. It's easy also to blame society as society has become immersed in social technology. At the end of the day, the child comes home to her parents... If a parent isn't making the proper effort at home, the child will fall behind. I believe these days though, parents don't know how to raise children.

a reply to: ketsuko

I have to give a shoutout to ketsuko as well... Although I don't like the idea of having to "police" your child, I still think you've got most of your bases covered, so

I think the best thing you can do for a child who's going to get involved on the internet, is a lesson in morality. What is good or hurtful is such necessary knowledge to have, and how to apply it in an anonymous setting. As well as, being able to take abuse. The problem with being a child having access to social media, is impressionability. The internet should be seen as a fake environment until proven honest.

Just my two cents

a reply to: Aedaeum

When I say police I mean supervise.

His father has a smartphone, and he can occasionally play some simple games on it. If we don't keep an eye on what he does though, he can occasionally down load things we'd rather him not.

And since our computers don't have controls on them, we'll have to pay some attention to where he goes and what he does when he's on them. It won't be that hard though, they're both in the family room.