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originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: machineintelligence
your dreaming if you think the nsa and cia and fbi are going to roll back any of the security measures.
Frankly, judging from the way Americans like to massacre each other and butcher people in far away lands - i think these kinds of laws are nessecary
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: greencmp
No arguments from me.
I originally supported the Patriot Act if for no other reason than that spying on U.S. citizens was occurring anyway.
The means apparently was using Canadian, British and Australian agencies to do the spying for us and visa versa then exchange the information amongst themselves.
Unless that loophole is closed, this act will be easily circumvented.....
originally posted by: DuckforcoveR
Nobody thought it was the center of good sense when my guy, Russ Feingold, stood up to everybody in Congress and voted no.
But yeah, aside from that this long long overdue and certainly welcome on my part. Don't know how far it will go but hopefully further than tHe Patriot Act itself.
a reply to: greencmp
originally posted by: theantediluvian
The link in the OP is to original 2013 bill from Rush Holt, here's the link to the current version:
H.R.1466 - To repeal the USA PATRIOT Act and the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, and for other purposes.
originally posted by: BrianFlanders
As usual, I smell tuna.
There is something people need to understand. The people running the show are never going to give up what they have acquired over the last decade and a half. I don't care what they say. I don't care how it looks. This is all for show.
Behind the scenes, I'd almost be willing to bet they were doing all of this all along (way before 9/11). The only thing that changed was they admitted it after 9/11. My guess is they just want to take it back into the shadows.
Whatever. They're up to something.
As it enters the 21st century, the United States finds itself on the brink of an unprecedented crisis of competence in government. The declining orientation toward government service as a prestigious career is deeply troubling. Both civilian and military
institutions face growing challenges, albeit of different forms and degrees, in recruiting and retaining America’s most promising talent. This problem derives from multiple sources—ample private sector opportunities with good pay and fewer bureaucratic frustrations, rigid governmental personnel procedures, the absence of a single overarching threat like the Cold War to entice service, cynicism about the worthiness of government service, and perceptions of government as a plodding bureaucracy falling behind in a technological age of speed and accuracy. [FINAL DRAFT REPORT EMBARGOED UNTIL JAN. 31, 2001] Road Map for National Security: Imperative for Change, The Phase III Report of the U.S. Commission on National Security/21st Century
In Road Map for National Security, the Commission has endeavored to complete the logic of its three phases of work, moving from analysis to strategy to the redesign of the structures and processes of the U.S. national security system. For example, in Phase I the
Commission stressed that mass-casualty terrorism directed against the U.S. homeland was of serious and growing concern. It therefore proposed in Phase II a strategy that prioritizes deterring, defending against, and responding effectively to such dangers. Thus, in Phase III, it recommends a new National Homeland Security Agency to consolidate and refine the missions of the nearly two dozen disparate departments and agencies that have a role in U.S. homeland security today.
originally posted by: machineintelligence
a reply to: theantediluvian
Reading the text of both bills they share so much this must be a reintroduction of the same bill for the most part. I can see the reason for the confusion. Thanks for the updated relevant link.