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Torture Begins at the Top
By Joe Conason
12/17/04 "Salon.com" -- Renewed exposure of prisoner abuse, torture and even murder by American military personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan is widening already deep divisions between the Pentagon and the intelligence community - and creating an untenable situation for Donald Rumsfeld, the beleaguered secretary of defense. A recently disclosed FBI memo indicates that "marching orders" to abandon traditional interrogation methods came from the defense secretary himself.
In recent days, a coalition of human rights groups led by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights has brought new cases of abuse to public attention. Using the Freedom of Information Act, they have pried thousands of pages of previously secret documents from the Defense Department and other agencies.
Even after the shock of Abu Ghraib, these substantiated stories of cruelty, sadism and lawlessness are stunning. Files from the Navy's Criminal Investigative Service describe how U.S. Marines ordered four Iraqi teenagers to kneel while a gun was "discharged to conduct a mock execution"; how they inflicted severe burns on a detainee's hands with flaming alcohol; and how they tortured another detainee with an electric transformer, making him "dance." In June, a Navy investigator revealed in an e-mail that his caseload of "high visibility" cases of abuse was "exploding." As a result of such offenses, at least two Marines were convicted and sent to prison.
If justice has been done in a few cases, the ACLU documents show that abuses were more common - and more extreme - than the Bush administration had previously conceded. More important, however, the documents show that the impetus for abuse came from above, not below. The use of coercive and violent methods spread from Guant�namo Bay, where alleged Taliban and al-Qaida prisoners are incarcerated, to Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
I wouldn't be surprised if Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld participated in those activities themselves.
Originally posted by elaine
It would probably still be going on, only a lot worse if the leak to
the media had'nt happened.
EastCoast is the man, he's very sane and knows exactly what he talks about. It is YOU who needs a dose of something to stabilize your brain.
Originally posted by JimboE
EastCoastKid,
After reading a few of your posts, I'm convinced you're sitting in a psycho ward of a hospital somewhere, typing furiously on a computer, while babbling incoherently about a massive government conspiracy to put valium in our drinking water.
Elaine, of course they knew and presently know exactly what is going on...and these courtmarshalls you hear about are a few patsys just to cover up and make it look like we punish for such crimes.
Originally posted by elaine
I think Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld did all know what was going
on.
It would probably still be going on, only a lot worse if the leak to
the media had'nt happened.
Originally posted by JimboE
DGTempe,
EastCoast is the man ?? HA, thats a laugh, and if you agree with him, you must be a patient in the same psycho ward.
Here's a tip,-----that kool-aid they give you in the hospital has the valium in it.
Listen to Marg's words of wisdom. This fixation you seem to have with mental institutions lead me to think that you are a guest. YOU drink the coolaid.
Originally posted by JimboE
DGTempe,
EastCoast is the man ?? HA, thats a laugh, and if you agree with him, you must be a patient in the same psycho ward.
Here's a tip,-----that kool-aid they give you in the hospital has the valium in it.
Originally posted by JimboE
DGTempe,
EastCoast is the man ?? HA, thats a laugh, and if you agree with him, you must be a patient in the same psycho ward.
Here's a tip,-----that kool-aid they give you in the hospital has the valium in it.
Originally posted by JimboE
Typical ?? of what ?? If someone wants to talk intelligently on a subject, if I'm interested, I'll offer an intelligent remark. But when someone like EastCoast only offers these moronic ravings, then he's fair game.
Originally posted by JimboE
Well Sauron,
Sorry if you don't like my postings, but when I read these left-wing, radical BS rantings against everyone in government, my answers won't be any nicer. You should move to Canada, you'll fit right in.