Airbus A320 crash in Southern France

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: starviego

There is an entire forum somewhere saying it was deliberately caused by the fighter jet.

The fact the jet was scrambled was mentioned in a report earlier, I posted it a few pages back, it says it was scrambled but doesn't give further details. I guess those will emerge as the investigation progresses.

There are entire threads/forums saying it was anything from CERN to Planet X, the usual nonsense we've come to expect. Anyway the truth is out as I just posted, the co-pilot locked the door and refused access while deliberately crashing the plane. Motive as yet unknown.

a reply to: AgentSmith

From your link. Hopefully the press release will shed more light on the situation. It is odd that the card from the black box was missing. Plenty of theories on that around.

www.theguardian.com...

Marseille prosecutor says co-pilot put plane into a dive

The co-pilot of the doomed Germanwings A320 “voluntarily” put the aircraft into a dive and was alive until the moment of impact, the Marseilles prosecutor said citing a transcript of the last 30 minutes of the cockpit voice recorder.

The first 20 minutes of conversation between the pilot and co-pilot was amicable, then the co-pilot took over when the pilot left to make a “natural call”.

At this point, the co-pilot accelerated the plane’s descent using the keys of the monitoring system. The prosecutor described it as a “voluntary” action.

In the remaining 10 minutes there are a number of appeals by the pilot to get access to the cockpit but there was no access, the prosecutor said. The pilot knocks on the door but there is not response. There is the sound of breathing from the co-pilot until impact.

Black box memory card stolen from crash site of Germanwings jetliner? Plausible cover-up theories now taking shape

Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...##ixzz3VUaRyjnd

originally posted by: AgentSmith

Motive as yet unknown.

Only a matter of time before we get detailed commentary on his personal/family life which may shed some light on a possible motive.

I guess the main question now is was it a terrorist motive?

The co-pilot of the doomed Germanwings plane locked his captain out of the cockpit before deliberately 'destroying the plane' killing 150 people, it was sensationally revealed today.

French prosecutor Brice Robin gave further chilling details of the final ten minutes in the cockpit before the Airbus A320 plunged into the French Alps.

Revealing details from the black box voice recorder, he said the co-pilot - named as 28-year-old German Andreas Günter Lubitz - locked his captain out after the senior officer left the cockpit.

At that point, the co-pilot uses the flight monitoring system to put the plane into a descent - something that can only be done manually.

Mr Brice said: 'The intention was to destroy the plane.'

The captain - named by local media as German father-of-two Patrick S - can then be heard asking for access to which he gets no response.

He knocks and asks him to open and then starts banging furiously when he receives no reply.

All the time, you can hear the co-pilot breathing, Mr Brice revealed.

He said: 'His breath was not of somebody who was struggling. He never said a single word. It was total silence in the cockpit for the ten past minutes. Nothing.

‘I don’t think that the passengers realised what was happening until the last moments because on the recording you only hear the screams in the final seconds’.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: AgentSmith

From your link. Hopefully the press release will shed more light on the situation. It is odd that the card from the black box was missing. Plenty of theories on that around.

www.theguardian.com...

Marseille prosecutor says co-pilot put plane into a dive

The co-pilot of the doomed Germanwings A320 “voluntarily” put the aircraft into a dive and was alive until the moment of impact, the Marseilles prosecutor said citing a transcript of the last 30 minutes of the cockpit voice recorder.

The first 20 minutes of conversation between the pilot and co-pilot was amicable, then the co-pilot took over when the pilot left to make a “natural call”.

At this point, the co-pilot accelerated the plane’s descent using the keys of the monitoring system. The prosecutor described it as a “voluntary” action.

In the remaining 10 minutes there are a number of appeals by the pilot to get access to the cockpit but there was no access, the prosecutor said. The pilot knocks on the door but there is not response. There is the sound of breathing from the co-pilot until impact.

Black box memory card stolen from crash site of Germanwings jetliner? Plausible cover-up theories now taking shape

Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...##ixzz3VUaRyjnd

I wouldn't be surprised about a trash site like 'naturalnews' making some sweeping assumptions about the data card being missing. I literally have no idea why people read sites like that, they may as well try and get an 'alternative view' of the world from the Beano.
Did you actually see the pictures of the box they showed? They're not indestructible, though they try to make them as much as possible. It's hardly odd considering the severity of the impact and damage.

This is apparently the co-pilot btw:

www.teinteresa.es...

And this is the Google Cache of his Facebook page which at some point has been deactivated:

webcache.googleusercontent.com... =de

This is his GPS log from taking part in the Lufthansa half marathon in 2011. His name on there is 'flying_andy'

connect.garmin.com...

a reply to: AgentSmith

Speculation is something that is par for the course I guess and certain media are obviously showing less integrity though the flight recorders are built to withstand such impacts and odd that it's casing was relatively intact if bashed but no card inside, it isn't like it is loose inside there.

That aside, when pictures are shown of perpetrators, in retrospect they always seem to have a look about them, like they look like they are capable of such things.

Perhaps motive will be established, reports are he received an award for his flying skill and at 28, he obviously was a high achiever, perhaps highly strung, neurotic, often comes with the territory. Awaiting information.

More information on co-pilot.

The Independant

Lubitz was recognised by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in September 2013, with inclusion in the prestigious FAA Airmen Certification Database.

This database lists co-pilots who have "met or exceeded the high educational, licensing and medical standards" set by the FAA.

In Montabaur, acquaintances told the Associated Press Lubitz was in his late twenties and showed no signs of depression when they saw him last fall as he renewed his glider pilot's license.

"He was happy he had the job with Germanwings and he was doing well," said a member of the glider club, Peter Ruecker. "He gave off a good feeling."

Lubitz had obtained his glider pilot's license as a teenager, and was accepted as a Lufthansa pilot trainee after finishing a German college preparatory school, Mr Ruecker said.

He remembered Lubitz as "rather quiet" but friendly.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: AgentSmith

Speculation is something that is par for the course I guess and certain media are obviously showing less integrity though the flight recorders are built to withstand such impacts and odd that it's casing was relatively intact if bashed but no card inside, it isn't like it is loose inside there.

Actually most impacts are at a lower speed because the pilot is trying to avoid crashing the plane. The only published picture I've seen is of the CVR which is badly damaged though the can holding the memory chips is intact. I don't think we've seen the FDR.
It wouldn't be the first time it has been destroyed in a crash either. Nothing is indestructible.

The pilot asked the co-pilot to take control just before the incident. Perhaps it wouldn't have happened if he didn't, which brings questions if it was impulsive or premeditated. Also interesting that his replies were ''curt'' when the pilot did a mid flight announcement about the landing.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Information taken from the black box cockpit voice recorder indicated that the co-pilot Andreas Lubitz did not say a word once the captain left the cockpit, Mr Robin said. "It was absolute silence in the cockpit."

Posted at 12:27
According to Lufthansa, which owns Germanwings, the co-pilot joined the airline in September 2013, immediately after training, and had flown 630 hours.


Posted at 12:24
Brice Robin said the responses of the co-pilot, named as Andreas Lubitz, 28, were initially courteous but became "curt" when the captain began to give a mid-flight briefing, about the planned landing of the Germanwings flight. The plane's eventual crash in the French alps killed 150 people.

Posted at 12:21
Mr Robin also said the co-pilot "pushed the button to trigger the aircraft to lose altitude. He operated this button for a reason we don't know yet, but it appears that the reason was to destroy this plane".
Posted at 12:20

Brice Robin, the state prosecutor in Marseille, told a news conference the co-pilot was alone at the controls when the plane came down. Analysis of the flight recorder showed the pilot had left the cockpit and was then calling on the co-pilot to let him back in, but there was no reply, he added.

The co-pilot was heard breathing - showing that he was still alive at the time of the impact. "The most plausible interpretation is that the co-pilot through a voluntary act had refused to open the cabin door to let the captain in," Mr Robin said.

The loud sounds heard could be explained if there was more than one impact.

Air Traffic Control at Marseille asks for a distress signal, but there is still no response, says Mr Robin.

'So the plane becomes a priority for a forced landing,' said Mr Robin.

'Control asks other planes to contact this Airbus and no answer is forthcoming.

'There are alarm systems which indicate to all those on board the proximity of the ground. Then we hear noises of someone trying to break into the door.

'The door is reinforced according to international standards.'

Mr Robin went on: 'Just before final impact we hear the sound of a first impact. It's believed that the plane may have hit something before the final impact.

'There is no distress signal or Mayday signal. No answer was received despite numerous calls from the tower.'

Referring to Lubitz, Mr Robin said: 'He did this for a reason which we don't know why, but we can only deduct that he destroyed this plane.

'We have asked for information from the German investigation on both his profession and personal background'.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... 20-Barcelonnette.html#ixzz3VUspbmG8

a reply to: jazz10

Guess you were wrong.

a reply to: AgentSmith

No offense but this is a conspiracy site. If you believe authorities have no hidden agenda, or if you believe anything they publish, you don’t need a conspiracy site.
Monaco, Nice, St Tropez, Cern … No more than half an hour away. And icons of western ‘decadence’ (the last one is a symbol for many people as being the proof humans want to play God).

Analysis of Flightradar24 ADS-B/ModeS data: Autopilot was manually changed from 38,000 to 100 ft at 09:30:55

Source

Well, apparently it was an 'extended' suicide. You'd think a suicidal pilot would hire a small plane for himself and crash it into a field somewhere, but not this one. I know, here they will say it were the Alien NWO Illuminati with their invisible brain rays, but no, it was simply the decision of a lone man. A decision with severe consequences.
" The mind is a labyrinth, ladies and gentlemen, a puzzle. And while the paths of the brain are plainly visible, its ways deceptively apparent, its destinations are unknown." - Hellraiser

a reply to: ZEV93

It is speculation that it was suicide. It could have been a decision made in anger as a means of punishment, he could have always planned it in some sort of self serving ego pact for notoriety.

It could have been caused by temporary psychosis or chemically induced, deliberately or otherwise. There are many possibilities.

Perhaps the investigation will bring more information as to motivation or cause.

Wonder if the co pilot become possessed by demonic spirits or it was a play of the time paradigm.
Did have a fuzzy obe about being in the cockpit and seeing obstructions in front of the aircraft and auto pilot alteration.

originally posted by: zandra
a reply to: AgentSmith

No offense but this is a conspiracy site. If you believe authorities have no hidden agenda, or if you believe anything they publish, you don’t need a conspiracy site.
Monaco, Nice, St Tropez, Cern … No more than half an hour away. And icons of western ‘decadence’ (the last one is a symbol for many people as being the proof humans want to play God).

I don't believe everything they publish, but not believing 'anything' they publish by default is err... moronic to say the least.
CERN isn't playing God either, it's just helping us fulfil our natural need to understand the universe around us. Does that threaten your belief system somehow? The particle collisions that take place there in a controlled environment are not even as energetic as the ones that are happening above your head constantly, all this garbage about it being dangerous is media and uneducated hysteria at it's best.
Good luck living in fear and suspicion of everything all your life.

I am stunned ... no words.

People with depressions should be not allowed to work in aircrafts. period. German newspapers now report that the reason why he suspended his flight training was because of depressions during that time. Friends and family confirm that now.

I don't care if you feel good or bad - if you have serious depressions than you shouldn't be on the controls of an freaking airplane. People underestimate depressions - it's a serious illness that cost other people's life!

Really bad.

Ok the other thing that I want to mention is why they didn't follow protocol ... in the US there is a the never-alone rule that prevents to have only one person on the cockpit of an airliner. So if one pilot steps out - a flight attended takes over the seat. Usually also they block the way to the cockpit with another attended.

I doubt that those rules don't apply for Europe.