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Airbus A320 crash in Southern France

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posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 10:07 PM

originally posted by: Leonidas
a reply to: Zaphod58

Aviate, navigate, communicate...THEN get up and let the other pilot in the cockpit.

If *IF* the pilot in control was struggling with a critical problem, stepping away from the controls to open the door would likely be pretty far down the "holy crap" list of things to do.

Watch the video! The Pilot in control needed to do nothing to let the Captain in. The emergency procedures allow the door to be opened without the flight crew doing anything at all UNLESS the person on the Flight Deck blocks the attempts.

ETA. As for the Captain forgetting the procedure ... well the cabin crew must have forgotten too. That is not likely is it.


edit on 25/3/2015 by pheonix358 because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 10:09 PM
a reply to: theabsolutetruth

You would hear a cracked windscreen in the recording, no? Would it not sound like a wind storm in the cockpit? And I'm just wondering why the window suddenly cracked when the pilot left the cockpit.

posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 10:09 PM
a reply to: MRuss


Likwise - what are the chances of a decompression and the autopilot failing to fly the plane straight after, as seems to be the prevailing theory...

As has been said, usually there is a chain of events that leads to a disaster and from all my watching of Air Crash Investigations on Nat Geo over the years, 8/10 it seems to be human error or activity that causes the plane to crash rather than any mechanical failure.

posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 10:11 PM
a reply to: pheonix358

Or the pilot feels the aircraft going into a descent and starts trying to break it down, not being used to thinking about having to break in through that procedure. If you don't practice something it doesn't come naturally for you to think of in the heat of the moment.

I'm pretty sure they don't train for having to go through the emergency door opening procedure like they do other emergency procedures. Cabin or cockpit crew.
edit on 3/25/2015 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 10:12 PM
a reply to: stumason

They've already said there was no evidence of decompressing. If it had the would have been wind noise on the CVR.

posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 10:20 PM
a reply to: Zaphod58

Have they? Someone needs to tell the BBC and the UK papers as that is the story they are leading with this morning.

posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 10:26 PM
a reply to: stumason

I heard it earlier today that they said it was mechanically sound.

But if it had decompressed due to a cracked windscreen, they wouldn't have heard the other pilot knocking. They wouldn't have heard anything but a blast of wind.

posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 11:09 PM
There is no more mention of the Italian military jet--MM7168--that squawked 7700(emergency) at about the same time and place where the Germanwings plane was flying. Remember they initially they said the Germanwings pilots squawked the 7700 emergency code.

posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 11:15 PM
a reply to: starviego

There isn't a single report that it was anywhere near the area. In fact one witness said he thought the crash was a fighter, but didn't see any.

posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 11:51 PM
Another early, curious report:
The Guardian notes that debris from flight 4U9525 plane has been found scattered around the villages of Verdaches, Auzet, Le Vernet, and Seyne-les-Alpes.

This suggests that the plane had already started to crack up before it hit the ground.


More proof that a military aircraft was very near the plane when it went down:
"We were between 11 am and noon, at the foot of the mountain Tromas, when we saw an airliner that had just round the mountain on the right. It was flying low, and its trajectory was curious. .....At the same time, we saw a fighter plane that seemed to make a move to avoid it. .... It was certainly looking for him, and he had the spot."

Why has the existence of this military witness not been acknowledged?
edit on 26-3-2015 by starviego because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 01:53 AM

French news agency AFP is now supporting the NYT story. They are reporting that first analysis of CVR indicates:
•Normal conversation between flight crew at the beginning of flight
•PIC is heard leaving cockpit before the descend
•Later tried to gain access to the cockpit first knocking than pounding the door
•First officer did not open the door or respond to PIC trying to access the cockpit and is never heard again on the tape from that moment on
•First officer was hired in 2013 with just a couple of hundred flying hours collected at his previous job

edit on 26-3-2015 by earthling42 because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 02:56 AM
a reply to: costco

You are welcome to your feelings, but that is the most wild and random accusation that has been pulled from a dark place with no evidence whatsoever. 2014 was the safest year of commercial aviation.

There is Wild Speculation, then there is whatever you care to qualify this statement as.

posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 03:08 AM
a reply to: ragsntatters

Of course that my thoughts are with the families. I cry with them.
But this is a conspiracy site. So I think I have some right to search for the reason of this crash and put asite for a moment the cruelty of this catastrophe. We are looking for the truth, don’t we. And all options are open (not my words).
Some communication issues:
- The black box is found/ not found/ works/don’t works/ some pieces are still working/only one box is found …
- The plane changed route/didn’t change route …
- There was a fighter plane alongsite the airbus/ there was no fighter plane/ there was a fighter plane but it came too late …
- There were no emergency signals/there were emergency signals
- Etcetera
But today I heard a pilot was out of the cockpit and could not come in again …
That’s weird.
The fighter plane, the IS threats, the neighborhood of so many targets …. That makes me think about the plane that came down in in a field in Pennsylvania at 9/11. I have nothing to do with this site but I ‘m one of those who shares the same believes as the writer of it.

posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 03:31 AM
What are the names and nationalities of the 2 pilots?

posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 04:32 AM

Lufthansa has not named the pilots but it said the co-pilot joined Germanwings in September 2013, directly after training, and had flown 630 hours.
It said the captain had more than 6,000 hours of flying experience and had been with Germanwings since May 2014, having flown previously for Lufthansa and Condor.

I don't know if this has been posted but the co-pilot may have been the one locked in the cockpit. He is relatively new and joined Germanwings straight after he finished training, only having flown 630hrs.


posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 06:26 AM
a reply to: MRuss

That was earlier in the investigation, before the flight recorder was analysed, things are moving towards possibly a deliberate sabotage by a pilot.

posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 06:27 AM
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Those aren't being officially being revealed yet though were named on German media, there is another press release at 1330 UST.

Lufthansa, the German pilots' union and the Lufthansa flight training school in Bremen where the pilots trained are not making any comment or giving out names. They have, however, given information on the pilot and co-pilot and their experience.

But German media has identified the men as as Patrick S, a father to two children. Bild newspaper said he flew for over ten years for
Lufthansa and Germanwings and had completed more than 6,000 flight hours on the Airbus 320.

The paper named the First Officer as Andreas L. He was "young". He was from Montabaur, in Rhineland-Palatinate. He had 630 flight hours.

He joined Germanwings in September 2013 straight from the Lufthansa Flight Training School in Bremen.

Lufthansa said both pilots were trained at the Lufthansa Flight Training School in Bremen. The captain had over 6,000 flight hours' experience and joined Germanwings in May 2014. Previously he was a pilot with Lufthansa and Condor, a Lufthansa partner airline.

The first officer joined Germanwings in September 2013. He had about 630 flight hours. They were unable to confirm whether this was his first job as a professional pilot, or any previous experience.

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posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 06:32 AM
Reports suggesting it was possibly deliberate.

The pilot of the doomed Germanwings Airbus A320 may have deliberately locked his co-pilot and crew out of the cockpit minutes before it crashed into an Alpine mountainside killing 150 people, it was claimed today.

Audio files taken from the black box recorder suggested that one of the pilots was forced to try and smash down the door after being unable to enter the flight deck, according to the New York Times.

Experienced pilots today told MailOnline that under normal conditions crew have an emergency access code to enter the cockpit through the locked door.

They can only be stopped from using it if whoever is inside the cockpit manually – and intentionally – disables it.

The revelation will heighten fears that suicide or a terror attack was the cause of the disaster.

Locks on cockpit doors were introduced throughout the world's airlines in the aftermath of 9/11 to keep terrorists from taking the controls in a hijacking.

Tony Newton, a Civil Aviation Authority examiner and commercial pilot with 20 years' experience of flying A320 aircraft, told MailOnline: 'This takes the whole thing off in a different direction.

'Blocking access requires a deliberate action on behalf of the pilot. It’s a pretty dark thing to have happened.'

Cockpit recordings recovered from the crash site indicated one of the seats was pushed back and the door opened and closed.

An unnamed military investigator told the New York Times: ‘The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer.

‘And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer. You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.’
A source told AFP news agency that an alarm indicating the proximity to the ground could be heard before the moment of impact.

The recording has shed new light on the missing eight minutes from 10.31am when air traffic controllers lost contact with the pilots, who failed to send any distress signal.

Details from the first report submitted by the French to the German government revealed that at 10.31am, the 24-year-old Airbus A320 left its assigned altitude and began dropping towards the ground at a speed of 3,500ft per minute, before smashing into a ravine at 6,200ft.

Read more:

The Airbus A320 is fitted with a locking mechanism to prevent unauthorised access to the flight deck while the aircraft is in flight.
The safety systems were improved in the aftermath of the 9/11 terror attacks where hijackers were able to gain access to the cockpit and take over the aircraft.
In normal flight, the door to the flight is closed and locked.
Cabin crew can use a code and gain access to the flight deck. Entry is controlled by the flight crew, in case of a possible hijack attempt.
The Cockpit Door Locking System (CDLS) according to the flight manual 'provides a means of electrically locking and unlocking the cockpit door'.
The CDLS is located in the central pedestal between both pilots and has a toggle switch which controls the door.
They also have a CCTV camera so they can see who is seeking access, and if they are under any form of duress.
Pilots can restrict access to the flight deck although cabin crew can gain entry in an emergency. However, this emergency access can be over-ridden by the pilot for between five to 20 minutes.
The limited time to keep the door closed is itself a safety feature, in case the flight crew become incapacitated - known in the industry as 'incap'.
After the predeterminted time, the keypad on the outside of the cockpit door will become operational again, unless the pilot actively restricts access again.
Also the cockpit door has several other safety features in case of a sudden decompression which will cause the door to open.
According to the flight manual there are 'routine' and 'emergency' access requests.
'The toggle switch enables the flight crew to lock or unlock the cockpit door, following an access request, thereby allowing or denying the entry to the cockpit.'

Read more:

edit on 26-3-2015 by theabsolutetruth because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 06:47 AM
a reply to: starviego

There is an entire forum somewhere saying it was deliberately caused by the fighter jet.

The fact the jet was scrambled was mentioned in a report earlier, I posted it a few pages back, it says it was scrambled but doesn't give further details. I guess those will emerge as the investigation progresses.

posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 06:56 AM
So it's official, the co-pilot locked the pilot out when he went to the toilet and then calmly and deliberately crashed the plane.

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