Airbus A320 crash in Southern France

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: ragsntatters

Came across this little video on Youtube the premise of which is that the magnetic field produced by the CERN super collider may have somehow been responsible for the accident by way of influencing the planes avionics.

I don't know if this notion contains any credibility considering 1000s of planes must cross the same airspace every day without incident.

Sigh.....

No offence to you OP as it's not your video but yet another example of a YouTube retard at work. As I posted in another thread...

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Each magnet in the LHC generates ~8.4T.

Bearing in mind the following figures for comparison:

1 T to 2.4 T coil gap of a typical loudspeaker magnet.[5]
1 T to 2 T inside the core of a modern 60 Hz power transformer[6][7]
1.25 T strength of a modern neodymium–iron–boron (Nd2Fe14B) rare earth magnet. A coin-sized neodymium magnet can lift more than 9 kg, pinch skin and erase credit cards.[8]
1.5 T to 3 T Strength of medical magnetic resonance imaging systems in practice, experimentally up to 8 T
9.4 T Modern high resolution research magnetic resonance imaging system; field strength of a 400 MHz NMR spectrometer

en.wikipedia.org...

Already it's pretty obvious planes should be falling out the sky every time someone has an MRI or from the speakers in the headphones, the cabin, etc. But let's look at why this 'Twilight Zone' LHC idea is so laughable.

Simplified, the magnetic field from the dipole magnet would be subject to the inverse cube relationship to distance thus:

Magnetic field at aircraft (Tesla) = 8.4 Tesla x ( 1 / (Distance to LHC (Meters)^3))

Using the crash site location to calculate distance roughly as Méolans-Revel we get 202811.123 metres.
(Using www.daftlogic.com...)

I'll be nice and round it down to 200000 metres...

So..

8.4T x (1 / (2x10^5m)^3) = 1.05 x 10^-15 T

This is absurdly small, the magnetic field from the human brain is 10^−12 T which is several orders of magnitude greater.

By his logic, the flight could have easily been brought down by the magnetic fields from the passengers brains, because they were subjecting the aircraft to a massively higher magnetic field than the LHC ever could!

If people are going to speculate about something like this, at least have the decency to check out your ideas. People died, this isn't some sort of entertainment about who can come up with the dumbest idea on what caused the crash with a little bit of The Outer Limits thrown in.

Second black box found, but severely damaged; memory chip dislodged and missing.

Source

originally posted by: earthling42

Second black box found, but severely damaged; memory chip dislodged and missing.

Source

Hardly a surprise.

Reports circulating on professional pilot forums suggesting pilot unconsciousness due to structural issues of a cracked windscreen.

The doomed Germanwings plane may have crashed because the windscreen cracked, causing a sudden drop in oxygen levels that rendered the pilots unconscious, it was claimed today.

Reports circulating on professional pilot forums suggested the black box on the Airbus A320 had been analysed and revealed that a 'structural failure' was responsible for the disaster.

Flight 4U 9525 dropped out of the sky and ploughed into a mountainside in the French Alps at more than 400mph yesterday, killing all 150 people board.

In the latest theory to emerge, it is thought the windscreen gave way, incapacitating the pilots and leaving them unable to send out a distress call.

That may explain what happened in what top French official Segolene Royal has described as the crucial minute between 10.30am - when the pilots were apparently chatting away - and 10.31am when contact was lost.

Flight radar data revealed the plane started its nosedive at 10.31am from an altitude of 38,000 feet.

However, experts are also discussing other theories including faulty speed sensors and technical problems related to the age of the aircraft.

France's transport minister says work had begun on retrieving vital data from the cockpit voice recorder, although first pictures showed it had been badly damaged and it was not clear how much, if any, information could be analysed.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... te-Alpes-Hautes-Digne-Les-Bains.html#ixzz3VPLiDnva

Second black box found according to Airlive.net updated to envelope found.

www.theguardian.com...-5512c18ee4b0c8 50ae8d0e61

Second black box 'found'

The second black box has been found severely damaged, according to the aviation site AirLive.net.

At the briefing, the Hollande said that the “envelope of the second black box has been found, unfortunately not the black box itself”. He said the search goes on for that.

Germanwings is operating flights with crews from other airlines, and Lufthansa has chartered 11 aircraft. The Barcelona-Dusseldorf flight is being operated by a Germanwings aircraft, but on a different route and flight number. Many crew members have called in saying they can't work because they are grief stricken over the loss of their friends on this flight.

Its looking like some sort of structural failure (windscreen) and a decompression leading to cockpit crew unconsciousness. Thus no MD. Suggests an awful 8 mins for the passengers. Terrible for the kids!

Well apparently the second black box has not been found yet, this was said at the press conference.

originally posted by: earthling42
Well apparently the second black box has not been found yet, this was said at the press conference.

Thought it had but badly damaged with a chip missing.

It seems the FDR housing was found but the inside components have separated from the housing and have not been found.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Its looking like some sort of structural failure (windscreen) and a decompression leading to cockpit crew unconsciousness. Thus no MD. Suggests an awful 8 mins for the passengers. Terrible for the kids!

Let me offer a possible scenario that doesn't rely on CERN, HAARP, Reptilian overlords, or Ukranian missles. At full power in a climb, the environmental system, in order to avoid over-pressurization, the environmental system commands the pressure outflow valve at the rear of the pressure vessel to an more open position to maintain an 8.5 psi pressure differential. Upon reaching 38,000 (which is very close to the 39,100 foot service ceiling for older 320s, power is reduced to stop the climb and prevent overspeed. Assume the outflow valve sticks open, which can happen. Cabin pressure starts to go away. The pilot reacts by pulling power quickly to descend. That kind of power reduction at that altitude can cause a flameout. No horrible emergency yet. The decompression isn't explosive so an emergency descent of 10-15,000fpm isn't needed. A nice driftdown at 3,000 fpm or so will do nicely. I don't have the airstart envelope chart for the 320 handy but it's probably a top of an altitude in the mid teens with an IAS of 375 or so. Assume it doesn'y light off right away so you have 160,000 pounds of airplane coming down at 3,000 fpm. That momentum won't stop immediately, especially on one engine. The descent slows but won't stop, which seems to be consistent with the reported profile. I wouldn't bet a huge amount on this scenario, but I wouldn't bet against it either. We'll all have to wait for the DFDR/CVR data to do anything but guess.

a reply to: F4guy

Listen, with a well reasoned and thought out theory you aren't going gain any friends on a website that would prefer a juicy conspiracy.

The CVR had usable data, and was downloaded, but had no clues recorded. The FDR casing was found but not the contents.

Three Americans were on board. A government contractor and her daughter. The third hasn't been identified. Two Iranian sports journalists were on board. They had waited several days for a cheap flight to Germany.

Any family member that wants to travel to the region will be financially supported for the duration of the recovery.

Just heard one pilot, left the cockpit and then couldn't get back in,according to black box I guess

Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

www.nytimes.com...

PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in.

A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.”

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Well that explains it, suicide.

a reply to: earthling42

Far from it. It's happened several times. If they're was a problem the pilot still in the cockpit isn't going to get up and let him in. Or he could have become incapacitated.

a reply to: Zaphod58

The door can be opened through an emergency procedure, unless the door is locked deliberately.

a reply to: Zaphod58

it does make you wonder though.

a reply to: earthling42

oh that's even more curious