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Is Ukraine the New Afghanistan of The Cold War? Oligarchs Using Private Militia.

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posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: FlyersFan

That is a completely one sided view. Amnesty international says that both sides committed war crimes in Ukraine. But I'm sure you will ignore that.

both sides have committed war crimes.

I absolutely love it when I can use a pro-Russian propaganda Machine as a source.


“All sides in this conflict have shown disregard for civilian lives and are blatantly violating their international obligations,” said Salil Shetty, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.


RT admits both sides have committed war crimes in the Ukraine


This is also more evidence of how good a media channel Russia Today is, OBJECTIVE reporting, something which is very much lacking here in the west and that's even if they report on an important issue, some media outlets seem to be very selective



originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: Nikola014
Care to give us ONE evidence that shows Russian troops in Ukraine?

Just as it's absurd to rebut the US involvement in the Ukrainian revolt in Kiev, it's also ridiculous (at this point) repudiate Russian regulars in the Ukraine. Here's a good start: Hard evidence, the regular Russian army invades Ukraine




Both sides have made mistakes and Ukraine is a mess as a result, and in regards to human rights, both sides have used cluster bombs and ergo, commited war crimes.

I have to agree with the point though, I have yet to see direct evidence of Russian soldiers in Ukraine, seen plenty of corpses but for all I know they're either Kiev forces or Pro-Russia Ukranian fighters.

Additionally, in regards to these oligarchs, I've watched this conflict from the start & it's been clear to me that there's some nasty people connected with the Kiev leadership, takes a special kind of nasty to just start throwing bombs on your own people (as Kiev forces did).
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posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum


Russia Today is, OBJECTIVE


Wow!!!!

If RT is so objective. Show me three articles critical of Vladimir Putin since its inception.


I have to agree with the point though, I have yet to see direct evidence of Russian soldiers in Ukraine, seen plenty of corpses but for all I know they're either Kiev forces or Pro-Russia Ukranian fighters.


Then you must be getting your information exclusively from RT or another state owned media source.



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I'm sure there are Russians in Ukrain but the link you provide is a reprint from what appears to be a Ukrainian news source.

uaherald.com...

I'm not sure anyone could consider this source unbiased and irrefutable, could one? It's not an independent unbiased source from what I am seeing.



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

Well, anything is possible, isn't it?



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Zcustosmorum


Russia Today is, OBJECTIVE


Wow!!!!

If RT is so objective. Show me three articles critical of Vladimir Putin since its inception.


I have to agree with the point though, I have yet to see direct evidence of Russian soldiers in Ukraine, seen plenty of corpses but for all I know they're either Kiev forces or Pro-Russia Ukranian fighters.


Then you must be getting your information exclusively from RT or another state owned media source.


No, I always use multiple sources hence why I know the quality of RT's work, I am not Pro-Russia either, just in case you wan't to hit me with that.

May I remind, and from all the evidence I've seen and using historical events, that the aggressor in the Ukraine conflict is America, Russia was forced into a corner and may have reacted, obviously they weren't prepared to let Crimeans die and good on them for that.

I hope a peaceful resolution can be found before things get worse



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 11:31 PM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Too late, you`re now damned !



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 11:33 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Too late, you`re now damned !


Haha, straight to the fires of hell

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posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 11:35 PM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum


quality of RT's work


If RT does quality work then once again show me three articles hell one article critical of Putin since it's inception.



May I remind, and from all the evidence I've seen and using historical events, that the aggressor in the Ukraine conflict is America, Russia was forced into a corner and may have reacted, obviously they weren't prepared to let Crimeans die and good on them on that.


Then explain to me why they reacted in Moldavia and Georgia?



I hope a peaceful resolution can be found before things get worse


Maybe you should carry the message that. Vladimir Putin should respond to economic sanctions by withdrawling aggression.



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posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 11:48 PM
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If RT does quality work then once again show me three articles hell one article critical of Putin since it's inception.


I don't care whther 1 or a hundred are critical of Putin, it's a solid media channel on the stories they cover.



Then explain to me why they reacted in Moldavia and Georgia?


Once again, don't care, I am commenting on the situation in Ukraine and how it stands now.



Maybe you should carry the message that. Vladimir Putin should respond to economic sanctions by with drawling aggression.


Maybe you should reserve your advice for someone else, I carry no message, I merely call it like I see it



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 11:58 PM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum


I don't care whther 1 or a hundred are critical of Putin, it's a solid media channel on the stories they cover.


The reason you don't care is because you cannot find articles critical of Vladimir Putin and yes it is a solid media channel. ( solidly behind Vladimir Putin)



again, don't care, I am commenting on the situation in Ukraine and how it stands now.


Again you don't care because then you would have to admit he ( Putin ) used the same tactic in both countries. Standing up for Russian speaking people. Hmmmmmm if I remember correctly someone else did that in the not too distant history.


You wouldn't happen to know who that person was would you?



Maybe you should reserve your advice for someone else, I carry no message, I merely call it like I see it


You haven't called anything you keep repeating Don't care .



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posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: Greathouse



You haven't called anything you keep repeating Don't care .


I did and you refused to hear it because you disagree. If I said what I truly meant regarding the phrase ''don't care'' and yourself then I would violate terms & conditions, so I won't



posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 12:49 AM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Nope I heard everything you said you failed to provide any evidence. I ask you two simple questions both of your replies were "Don't care. "


Now let me carry this a little farther. The following is a quote from your second post on this page.



" May I remind, and from all the evidence I've seen and using historical events,

That is where you fail. Because obviously you've only chosen to study one small portion of historical events. Moldavia, and Georgia also have a significant part in what Vladimir Putin is doing.

All three of the events are eerily similar to the same events that led towards World War II.



posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 12:51 AM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Nope I heard everything you said you failed to provide any evidence. I ask you two simple questions both of your replies were "Don't care. "


Now let me carry this a little farther. The following is a quote from your second post on this page.



" May I remind, and from all the evidence I've seen and using historical events,

That is where you fail. Because obviously you've only chosen to study one small portion of historical events. Moldavia, and Georgia also have a significant part in what Vladimir Putin is doing.

All three of the events are eerily similar to the same events that led towards World War II.


That's your perspective, not mine


In this day & age the U.S. spends 3 times what China spends on their military, they spend 7 times what Russia spends on their military, no-one comes close to the U.S. military currently:

Who's the biggest threat to world peace?
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posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 12:55 AM
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Dont really see how people can support either side. It really is Afghanistan again, both using proxies, Russia using force again, the west supporting terrorists again.
I mean all the Ukrainian militias are wearing German flecktarn...



posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 01:22 AM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Who's the biggest threat to world peace?

Since you're not real big into history. At the moment it is definitely Vladimir Putin.



posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 02:41 AM
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a reply to: SkepticOverlord

I read yesterday that some of the armed groups were headed for Kiev now.No one knows why they are,just that they are. Doesn't sound too good for Kiev though. They were threatening another Maiden,but I don't know if that is the reason they are going there or not.



posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 02:51 AM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Who's the biggest threat to world peace?

Since you're not real big into history. At the moment it is definitely Vladimir Putin.


Funny that, they done a Gallup poll on it and guess who was top

Gallup International’s poll of 68 countries for 2014 found the US as the greatest threat to peace in the world, voted three times more dangerous to world peace than the next country.

www.washingtonsblog.com...
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posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 02:58 AM
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Ya know I wouldn't blame fate for destroying all the human race when I see the things my own species is capable of. I'm ashamed so many innocent suffer for the greed built into human DNA and the lack of good men to challenge it...it seems like there are dispicable amounts of evil men in positions that can further humanity, than good ones to lead and defend it. We've fallen so far that even though we have the means to all be happy and free, that we've let these power hungry, nasty, evil, greedy pigs as a infinity small group destroy us all in these meaningless fckin wars! What the hell is any government going to do when there's no one to fight anymore? Where will they run after they start playing who can launch more nukes? I feel insane trying to imagine an actual human that damn stupid. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.


PEOPLE battle, only governments start wars.-NiZZiM



posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 04:11 AM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Who's the biggest threat to world peace?

Since you're not real big into history. At the moment it is definitely Vladimir Putin.


Right, even though as I mentioned the U.S. spends over 7 times what Russia does on their military, as well as having bases scattered all around Russia's borders, as well as being engaged in drone strikes around the world (examples include Somalia, Yemen & Pakistan), as well as having covert operations in Latin America.

And I haven't even started on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya etc.

Russia isn't the USSR and the cold war is finished my friend

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posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h


Just as the Afghan's didn't want Russia there, Ukraine feels the same way.

So I guess it could be looked that way.

The "Soviets" left Afghanistan.



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