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Large companies bailing out of the Russian Federation

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posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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I mentioned in another thread about companies that are bailing out of Russia.

The ones I know of are...

Google
General Motors
VW (announced today)


They know something is up. Either they dont want to be involved in a war, or they dont want to dump rubles into the money pit called Russia.

But they know something.

What do you think about this in light of current affairs?




posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: smirkley

When the cost of food reaches a certain level of disposable income revolutions happen. This percentage is right around 40% and Russia is in the 30-40% range now.



Look it up and see the simple truth when people can no longer feed themselves the leaders of that country fail. And when revolutions happen businesses can have huge issues. Even worse leaders can take power this is how men like Hitler and Stalin gained power.
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posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: smirkley

You are absolutely right. Big companies like those are highly connected not just in Russia but everywhere in the world. They know what is about to happen very soon after TPTB know.

The EU and West might decide to link ALL Sanctions to the return of Crimea, something Russia has no intention of doing. That would make business in Russia bad for a long time.

There could also be significant new sanctions being planned. Entire sector sanctions. That would really hurt Russia.

Oil prices do look to remain low for another couple years so Russia's problems are going to remain for some time. These big boys are not pulling out their business for no reason.

Good to keep an eye on for sure!



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: smirkley

Interesting article...



Microsoft, Google, Adobe Leave Russia Due to Putin's New Laws

5 Dec 2014,

Tech companies are running away from Russia

Tech companies Microsoft, Google, and Adobe are all giving up on their Russian operations amid a new law requested by President Vladimir Putin and which requires companies to store collected user data on local servers which would obviously become accessible to authorities.



Hmmm.




posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 04:37 PM
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The thing is that Russia can survive on it's own as long as they only purchase their own products. So it is not beneficial for these companies to stay there, they will not be selling any product there. Russia can handle this, people think that we are all dependent on the exchange rate, but that exchange rate means nothing if you are buying products from your own country. If anything, they are doing Russia a favor by lowering the value of it's money, their products will now be cheaper to other countries yet the cost remains the same for Russia companies supplying the parts and materials.



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: smirkley

When the cost of food reaches a certain level of disposable income revolutions happen. This percentage is right around 40% and Russia is in the 30-40% range now.



Look it up and see the simple truth when people can no longer feed themselves the leaders of that country fail. And when revolutions happen businesses can have huge issues. Even worse leaders can take power this is how men like Hitler and Stalin gained power.


For the poor in the US it's about 28% now (200 to eat for a month, 700 in income)



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 05:17 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
The thing is that Russia can survive on it's own as long as they only purchase their own products. So it is not beneficial for these companies to stay there, they will not be selling any product there. Russia can handle this, people think that we are all dependent on the exchange rate, but that exchange rate means nothing if you are buying products from your own country. If anything, they are doing Russia a favor by lowering the value of it's money, their products will now be cheaper to other countries yet the cost remains the same for Russia companies supplying the parts and materials.



Just for you to know, I am not dis-regarding anything you say here. But, does Russia have the infrastructure to carry out this? Building and purchasing your own products is very difficult in today's world. The only country I can think of that is in that situation ( Albeit with far fewer resources) is N. Korea. We have as much in the way or resources and could not do that without serious economic pain ,because we have outsourced and let our infrastructure become ruined.



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 05:17 PM
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originally posted by: [post=19153412]rickymouse[/post



Double post. Sorry
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posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 05:48 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
The thing is that Russia can survive on it's own as long as they only purchase their own products. So it is not beneficial for these companies to stay there, they will not be selling any product there. Russia can handle this, people think that we are all dependent on the exchange rate, but that exchange rate means nothing if you are buying products from your own country. If anything, they are doing Russia a favor by lowering the value of it's money, their products will now be cheaper to other countries yet the cost remains the same for Russia companies supplying the parts and materials.


The economic benefits of trade are very well established. Unless Russia currently produces comparible products people can switch to Russia will suffer. They loss in worker productivity as less effective solutions are forced on businesses. In fact Russia might very soon find itself with no windows support whatsoever. Can you imagine the chaos in businesses as they scramble to find solutions?

Don't buy the Russian government propaganda. Substituting home grown solutions is often impossible or very inefficient.



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 05:51 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: smirkley

Interesting article...



Microsoft, Google, Adobe Leave Russia Due to Putin's New Laws

5 Dec 2014,

Tech companies are running away from Russia

Tech companies Microsoft, Google, and Adobe are all giving up on their Russian operations amid a new law requested by President Vladimir Putin and which requires companies to store collected user data on local servers which would obviously become accessible to authorities.



Hmmm.



This is due to Russian laws demanding access to those servers. Tech companies aren't going to accept open server access which is what Russia demands. In the US they can force the gov to get warrants for info. That process is acceptable to the tech boys...but not Russia's connected and constant access demands.



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse That's true but they don't make any products the world needs, their quality is poor.



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

All of these tech. companies you mentioned could be perceived as being US intelligence tools to spy on Russia. Russia might want them out of their country.



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: maxzen2004
a reply to: rickymouse That's true but they don't make any products the world needs, their quality is poor.



Not even the Russian want the junk they make.

As for the OP not only is the economy terrible and the laws out of control but, Putin has a habit of nationalizing companies and putting his buddied in control of them. On the plus side Putin is going to drive Russia so far into the ground that when he is gone and decent leader gets control Russia will be wide open for investment and rebuilding.



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: smirkley

‘BRICS shield against isolation of Russia’
March 5, 2015, 9:18 am
Signaling that Russian foreign policy is not to be dictated by the US and its allies, Russia has said its membership in BRICS prevents it from being isolated internationally.

Sergey Naryshkin, speaker and leader of the Duma, Russia’s lower house of Parliament said on Wednesday that the BRICS group of nations account for 42 per cent of the global population and 27 per cent of the global economy.

“They seem to have problems with geography, and they think the world is the US and a group of satellite states, although it is far from it,” he told a local broadcaster, Rossiya24.

“It is simply impossible to isolate the Russian economy, as producers of this crisis of mistrust are saying now and then, bravely stating that they have ‘isolated Russia’,” he added.

Russia is slated to host the 7th BRICS Summit later this summer.

thebricspost.com...

thebricspost.com...



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: smirkley

What do you think about this in light of current affairs?


i think they are literally throwing their money in a fire. especially if putin is seriously considering nuking moscow.



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 06:20 PM
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Those are REALLY big names, that are interconnected with ALOT of big companies lol.

This must be pretty damn serious if such juggernaut are worried about it.

Keeping am eye on this , thanks friend



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: JourneymanWelder

I'd like to know the source of Putin nuking Moscow. That just sounds to absurd to be true.



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

That and the risk of getting their assets nationalized, no?





ops. wrong wd
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posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Doing their own thing didn't work very well for them last time. While many Russian companies are private the evidence is that Putin's heavy hand will be into everything along with those of his buddies. Cheaper cost of living in Russia coming because of less imports? I don't see it. Venezuela isn't seeing it that way either.
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posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: smirkley

‘BRICS shield against isolation of Russia’
March 5, 2015, 9:18 am
Signaling that Russian foreign policy is not to be dictated by the US and its allies, Russia has said its membership in BRICS prevents it from being isolated internationally.

Sergey Naryshkin, speaker and leader of the Duma, Russia’s lower house of Parliament said on Wednesday that the BRICS group of nations account for 42 per cent of the global population and 27 per cent of the global economy.

“They seem to have problems with geography, and they think the world is the US and a group of satellite states, although it is far from it,” he told a local broadcaster, Rossiya24.

“It is simply impossible to isolate the Russian economy, as producers of this crisis of mistrust are saying now and then, bravely stating that they have ‘isolated Russia’,” he added.

Russia is slated to host the 7th BRICS Summit later this summer.

thebricspost.com...

thebricspost.com...


BRICS has signed zero, that is right zero trade deals since it was created. And since its creation Russia and Brazils economies have crashed, China and South Africas have slowed. Only India has seen things improve because of a series of trade deals with the US and the West. The problem for Russia of its biggest trade partnerts only one is in BRICS. China, the others are Netherlands, Germany, Ukraine, USA, Italy, Belarus, Poland, Japan and Kazakhstan.

As you can see if the West ever decided to put real santions on Russia and not the light ones they have now, Russia would lose 7 or its top 10 trade partners. The failure of BRICS has been mostly because the nations involved simply do meet each others trade needs. The have China, India, Brazil and South Africa that produce things cheap based on low wages and Russia which has oil. Ironicay what would make BRICS work would be the US or EU. Somebody to buy the stuff. Instead you have India off signing new trade deals with the US, China with the US as it major trade partner, South Aftica with the US as it most important export partned and Brazil pushing for new trade deals with the US because nothing is happening with its BRICS partners.



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