Pope Francis should break up the status quo this Easter

If there should be any change before the nuclear armageddon, it should start happening this Easter season. There isn't any more timefor delay, after 2 years passed since the election of the last pope in Malachi's list.

Pope Francis should assume his responsibility and act as he promised, or if he is not able to, then let he resign with dignity as Benedict did.

He could do many things to break up the demonic status quo. Some of them IMO are:

1. Start telling us the truth of Jesus according to hidden books.

2. The truth of planetary events according to secret books from Alexandria library

3. Appoint a vast number of lay cardinals, devote men of the billion wide church, to be able to overrun the status quo.

4. If available, show up the ET. I don't know whether the Vatican has that direct ability, or it has info of other countries having it. In anyway a willing pope could do much, since the time of Galileo. It is not an issue of yesterday and the popes know it quite well. Pius XII's envoy cardinal McIntyre met with aliens and Eisenhower according to leaked sources online. John 23 met with saucer's pilots aliens in Castel Gandolfo.

If nothing of the above is not started ASAP, this holy week, we roll into the possibility of nuclear war (Ukraine) or any other scenario that will not take Rome and pope as the matchmaker. The aliens if they are hostile to the church's centuries old errors, may decide they just don't need it. Or you name it. The pope doesn't risk himself or the cardinals. he risks the entire structure of the 2000 year old organization allegedly found by Jesus Christ. What f some of the words about that in the Gospel are fabricated by pagan Rome in 3rd century, as the words of "you are Peter..."????? If the pope and hierarchy act as before, it is a matter of time they already run irrelevant.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
If nothing of the above is not started ASAP, this holy week, we roll into the possibility of nuclear war (Ukraine) or any other scenario that will not take Rome and pope as the matchmaker. The aliens if they are hostile to the church's centuries old errors, may decide they just don't need it.

So when absolutely nothing like you claim happens will you apologise and stop posting nonsense doom porn?

It is wrongly assumed the cardinals must be old archbishops whose only function besides the honorary is to elect the next pope.

Instead, the cardinalate is intended to advice and help the pope in the current affairs of ruling the church. There were lay cardinals. Since it is not a sacrament nor ordination, there isn't formal barrier of appointing women as well.

A great number of outside people appointed as cardinals will make possible to overrun current hierarchy, who proved over and over again, administration after administration, it is not capable of managing the interests of God's people, rather manages its own interests.

If the change in the Roman church is not done it is probably better for the world to go on without it. It won't break up the line established by the apostles, since there are enough bishops, including Catholic bishops, who wil remain.

Jesus never said to Peter, you will sit in Rome as king until I come. Even if the words "You are Peter..." are true, and that should be checked too, if thou we don't have a single reference for the political power or the city where the successors of Peter should stay. What we see in the Vatican, is not created by Jesus Christ and is nowhere found in the canonized Gospels.

It is a shame we have to discuss that in 21st century again and again. How could a church help refrom the world if it doesn't reform itself in first place. We are speaking of centuries old rules that are irrelevant, as donkey-driven car in the era of steam engine, to say the least. Nothing of that is said in the Gospels.

Instead, important parts of the life of Jesus Christ are arbitrarily cut off. As the major point of his wife. Everyone knows who she was.

Status Quo will never break up. I saw them on their retirement tour in 84, 91, 96 and 2001...awesome!

a reply to: hellobruce

The nuclear war was and is a possibility as we speak. The pope can choose to be a peacemaker or not. Perhaps this weeks are one of the last chances given to the world phenomenon called Vatican. I am not a prophet and don't know the date of the world war or fulfilment of Malachi's prophecy. Perhaps the people inside the walls of Vatican know it better. Do they just buy time for their own selfish interests, again and again? Or do they intend to betterment of humanity, even an inch? If the answer is no, then they lose any chance to make any fixes to the humanity tomorrow. As I said, may be in other threads, a humanity in postnuclear era, or postdisclosure era, will have completely different problems and will believe completely different things, based on other knowledge. If we speak of pockets of humanity preserved underground or abvoe earth, then what pope and what hierarchy we are talking about? NOW is the moment for the Roman hierarchy to make the difference never made in the last 15 centuries or so. Let again say, what we see in Rome is not what Jesus Christ taught.

In addition tot he above, let consider those possibilities:

1. A disclosure of ET made by Kremlin or by Washington, will leave Vatican in a pretty bad fix, to approve, to disapprove (impossible) or to silently approve. We already know the Vatican knows of that and keeps silence.

2. The non-announcement of secret gospels that are already published, or their blind rejection, brings more negatives to Vatican than assumed. There are quite many literate people who care, and who already know the truth of Jesus Christ has been changed. Every next day delay in that regard makes out of Vatican a servant of a lie that is already exposed to daylight. The consequences may not be visible immediately, but they build up enormous negativism towards what has been recievd from Vatican as teaching, even if it is correct on other topics. We already have examples of riots among archbishops of Germany and ...Ukraine!

3. A flyover and Landing of alien craft on a place different than St Peter's square in Rome, will make that place important in the eyes of 7 bln people. I will not speculate whether that place could be Jerusalem, Moscow or Paris. The unwillingness of the Vatican to accept space brothers, even if they are not sent by Jesus Christ, will make them choose someone else and give credibility to someone else. They could easily bring the full truth of Jesus walking the earth by releasing of videotape of the entire 33 years life, made from the clouds covered ufos at that time. No it is not a joke or madness. Most likely, the funda,mental questions of Jesus' life will be decided not by the next interpretation of clerics, but by direct evidence to be seen and heard by the millions. It ismore than sure it is recorded by the angels. It is a matter of language whether you will admit who is who. If the aliens presented it, what could you say against it? You could call them demons. But that hardly will change the evidence of Jesus on video how he blesses the bread and makes miracles. Think about it, Vatican! The omnipotence of overseeing Gospel approval, canonization and interpretation may end overnight!

Summarizing all that,

the only winning move of the Vatican today, is to embrace the truths first and announce them as loudly as possible. Thus and only thus it can whitewash centuries old guilt that we fully don't even know of. Because it were not only Giordano Bruno and Galileo.

If the humanity preserves in Siberian and Arizona bunkers,...

or the other possibility:

If alien ships land in Siberia and on the US-Mexican border in the wilderness, or in Sahara, and make a new dawn of humanity

(I don't know which of the two or combination will happen in reality),

Then Rome has already lost its kingdom. There will be new teaching, new evidence for Jesus, new reality to cope with, may be quite harsh if it is in the bunkers. No one will want ever to come back to the old status quo that brought us here at the point of the abyss.

Even more so if pockets of humanity are removed from Earth to better environment in new Eden gardens elsewhere on any other planet. Let not forget that exactly Catholic seers speak of similar possibilities today, calling them "refuges outside the earth" to avoid the wording space, ships, aliens, rapture, that sound to some "protestant" or "new age". As if the protestants and the new agers wrote Ezekiel 1 and Elijah's rapture in chariot of fire.

I believe at least few men int he Vatican think in similar or stronger terms. The pope and a handful of jesuit astronomers. The problem is they are minority, and by now are practically silenced by a majority that doesn't seem to care for human survival or for God's Church survival. Instead it quotes parables that may be not even true parables if the gospels were written later, not by Jesus or John.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
for God's Church survival.

The church of Rome is NOT God's church, it is the church of pedophiles and those that cover up pedophiles. In reality it is the church of evil, staffed by evil people.

a reply to: 2012newstart

The lat thing he will do is 'touch on planetary events' and influences. That is a science from the pagan world that the papacy has deliberately ridiculed.

Also do you honestly think he will own to Jesus the gnostic and how the christian faith was forged? Fortunately we have a key hole through the Nag Hammadi library the catholics could'nt get their censoring hands on. Funny how the desert religions don't do truth just manipulation.

a reply to: Shiloh7

Thank you, I listed several options and I don't know which one of them, or something else will be enacted on earth. What will the pope do, I don't know.

Perhaps the Chstisement will come directly without more warnings. That is one of the hypotheses that I discuss in length in 3 days of darkness thread and others.

Indeed some desert places preserved the best of early Christianity, contrary to all persecutions in those lands. Let not forget that East-er happened there not in the West.

The Chastisement is not in question it will definitely occur. As one may read the works of St Padre Pio, and so many others. We don't need more revelation or signs to know it will occur. Notice no dates have been set. Some catholic sites do though.

What is in question, is whether a Warning will be given and what exactly it will be. One may say, wasn't it a great sign the pope's great mass at Copacabana beach in Rio? God came down to that place, too.

I think the biggest warning coupled with rescue is not given yet, and when given will take some time. But I do not rule out a lightning rapture-like rescue followed by the chastisement without any further prewarning than the event itself.

If you follow the logic of nuclear attack doctrine, it seems exactly like that.

I don't understand when faithful people hate such kind of reasoning. Instead of going deep into the prophecy and say their point of view, (let it be totally different from mine), they attack the messenger (me in that case). It is unwise for their own sake. Because frankly if the scenarios I develop for quite some time are fulfilled at some part, those people who did not spare effort to attack everyone who promotes something new, including popes, will find themselves in very hard condition. Namely, they will be unable to get to the rescue because of their own philosophy and unwillingness to accept point of view different from their own, dating back centuries.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I saw them in '83 at Madison Square... They 'effin rocked!

Maybe the pope should really shake it up by telling everyone that it is passover week not easter since the one use of the word (easter) is a misquote.
a reply to: 2012newstart

a reply to: guitarplayer

Good point, beyond the words. Actually in Latin and Italian it is Pascha Pasqua Passover.

I don't believe the pope will make anything different, because he stays to defend the status quo and the establishment. In other words, he may indeed be Petrus Romanus the last pope of Rome, not the game changer who would give more time to that branch of Christianity.

Any future form of Christianity must include the Messianic Jews, not just as the next diocese subordinated to some Vatican commission. (Jesus din't create such things). But as the main branch of the Church of Jesus Christ.

I'd rather pay attention to the Jewish Pesach and the moons.

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Rabbi Judah ben Samuel - “When the Ottomans (Turks) – who were already a power to be reckoned with on the Bosporus in the time of Judah Ben Samuel – conquer Jerusalem they will rule over Jerusalem for eight jubilees. Afterwards Jerusalem will become no-man’s land for one jubilee, and then in the ninth jubilee it will once again come back into the possession of the Jewish nation – which would signify the beginning of the Messianic end time.”

After the Six Day War, on June 17, 1967, the entire region of the West Bank was conquered by the Israeli Army and the entire city of Jerusalem returned back in possession of the Jewish people. Seven hundred and fifty years after the prophecy was first made by Rabbi Judah the Pious, from 1217 to 1967, all the conditions of the prophecy were fulfilled to the letter of the prophetic oracle.

The above prophecy puts the end of the last 9th 50 year cycle at 2017. Many Bible scholars for other reasons expect the culmination at that year. I think Jesus is not restricted by years and months, church calendars, traditions, people, to do what is planned to do.

the real End times may come after 50,000 years or more. That doesn't stop Jesus to make judgment on both the earth and the churches. Whether His representative will land on earth, or all will be done from the air, does it matter so much. A chastisement would effectively delay the prophecies for number of years/centuries that the earth doesn't have adequate civilization for those prophecies to be fulfilled.

For the purpose of the argument however, one may say the conditions of end times have been (partially) fulfilled to the extend we have one enacting of them that is not the fullest future one.

What we see today is partial fulfilment of end time prophecies, not their fullness. Someone may speak for hours how the implanted chip is the mark of the beast, but neither we are sure nor it is mandatory, as Apocalypse says of the mark. We can have not one but 10 antichrists, still no one of them controls the entire earth, as the books say. Falling short of the fullest fulfilment, we should look for other explanations. For example, the first destruction of Jerusalem. Is it a fulfilment of Jesus' prophecy? Yes it is. Is it the final fulfilment? No it is not. And why all those Bible scholars put the numbers at 2 only? They will start crying "antichrist, antichrist" the moment Jesus' chariots come for the elect ones. No matter if they touch the land or are suspended in the air (not formal coming).

Because those people honor me with their lips, says the Lord, but their hearts are far from Me.

The "new" theories that were pretty advanced 2 centuries ago, as the rapture theories, are already outdated and use terminology that is not fit to today's understanding of the world. But no one dares to change them. Today no more of the fear of excomunication from Rome and possible inquisition, but out of the fear to say something wrong to be thrown in the lake of the fire. What strange, human understanding of a cruel God, who should be Goodness itself!

Today's published theories of the Bible are at best limited and narrow framed human theories. What is said as 70 th week 7 year period, might be actually long periods of time divided between, let say each prophetic day=year to be separated by the rest by ...thousands or more years!
As the history showed for the pause between 69th and 70 th week that lasted only 2000 years, longer than the entire duration of the 69x7 years.

Because it is God who decides, not humans. There is nothing wrong if newer better theories rise, who will not be perfect either. Everything human is not perfect. That doesn't mean we should be afraid, from men or from God, to say a word of what we think about. For example, I think since the NT books are written at 2-3 century including the Apocalypse, they might not contain the fullness of revelation made by Jesus Christ.

I think Jesus will act beyond the current understanding for Him and the so called End times. He may send angels at any time, as He sent to Phillip in Gaza to be taken by air to Azotus. Oh, nobody talks about that, no matter if it is a pope, a patriarch, or a megachurch preacher! Because it shows God has the free action at any given moment and that goes out of the understanding of the day, and does not contradict any prophecy written in stone or papyrus.

If Jesus sends representatives and angels to lead us out of Egypt once more, who are we to say No to God's plan? Who are we to say, no, but first Gog and Magog? John speaks of Gog and Magog after the Millenianl kingdom.

Pope Francis just made a heartfelt visit and homily into Rome's Rebibia prison. THe prisoners looked quite free in spirit. Some of them, immigrants, and some women with their children who walked around. The whole atmosphere was more fit to a common Italian parish church. The homily of the holy father concentrated on Jesus Christ's love for every single one of us. Love that doesn't know limits and is ever growing. Jesus washed the feet of the 12, but He washes everyone of us, said the pope. He further asked for prayers so he could be even better servant and slave.

That is one of the most emotional homilies of pope Francis since that night on the balcony of St Peter when he was elected. Indeed, he had elaborated speeches (some of them quoted by me in other threads).

That happens on the background of alarming events, in Yemen Chinese troops and fresh warnings of nuclear Crimea, and Baltic states Russian speaking population compared to the Ukrainian, pls check today's headlines in MSM, I think there is a thread in this forum.

Will the pope find the language to stop that dangerous trend, or it will let go to predestined end. And how about the survivors, supernaturally or what.

I remember Fr Gobbi speaking of explosion of eucharistic miracle as needed to happen to usher the earth in the eucharistic era. Good words, but how true? What is it in the secret plan of God to make some survive and continue in eucharistic reign era, or era of peace, or you name it.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
Pope Francis just made a heartfelt visit and homily into Rome's Rebibia prison.

Did he go there top visit pedophile priests? Oh, of course not, we all know that the church of Rome's policy is to hide and move pedophile priests, and blame their victims. They never hand them over to the police!

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It is difficult to ascertain the actual statistics for clerical sexual abuse in Italy because the Italian Government has a treaty with the Vatican that guarantees areas of immunity to Vatican officials, including bishops and priests.[

So the church of Rome has a agreement with the Italian government to cover up child abuse by priests....

a reply to: hellobruce

I guess you didn't watch or read too much about the recent pope's activities in the Holy Week. For ex. the prison was filled up by immigrants from the Third World, some with their children, and of course Italians men and women at age. I don't know what you are talking about.

Pope Francis shows personal great humility on many occasions. He is a humble man, and as he said recently he took the papacy because he was asked to, not because he longed for it, and said he may leave sooner. Not so many popes in history showed such profound humility and detachment of world's glory. I'd still expect him however to make bolder steps towards renovation of the Holy Roman Church. The impending events on earth require it.

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That holy mass from the prison's chapel, together of course with the other services and masses of pope Francis during this Holy Week, turned me more decisively in favor of the man who had the courage to take the papacy in the last blank space of Malachi's prophecy. I'd like to hear his interpretation of all that. Perhaps Petrus Romanus is far in the future and therefore he didn't take his name?