Argentine archaeologists find secret Nazi lair in jungle

a reply to: 3n19m470

A house near here was demolished to erase the memories and avoid it becoming a shrine for twisted types. Some of the survivors objected to the demolition. They have their own terrible memories that they'd rather forget, but they want the rest of us to remember the lessons.

If it did become a shrine for twisted types it would bring them into the open.

a reply to: machineintelligence

There would be no point I suppose.

One cannot be perfect, it is an impossibility. So I have to forgive myself the occasional wrathful response. I happen to think it would be quite something, if all the items and artefacts of the Nazi regime that exist from that period, save for those in the hands of national museums, were ceremonially destroyed, as a matter of punctuation.

We could extend a pointed finger toward the ashes and steaming molten slag that would remain, and say...

"BEHOLD! Less than a hundred years on from its being bought to heel, this idiotic regime has had its footprint erased from the world, and will remain in textbooks alone. No archeologist of the future shall know of it by finding coins in the dirt, nor by carvings etched in walls, for every stone ever touched by this regime is sundered in twain, and in twain again! Behold this ruined crater, and know that all works issued from a similar mindset will be expunged with the same haste. Let fascists everywhere know, that the fruits of their efforts will never last even a hundred years, let alone for a thousand!"

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
If true, Surely suing for peace in 43 would have been a better idea than simply running away to the jungle. I've often wondered why so many "Good Germans" didn't just do a Hess and jump in a plane and get the hell out of there when they had the chance.

I think the problem was weight. Look at Goering pictures from the last year of the war. You'd need a 747 to fly that guy anywhere.

J

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: machineintelligence

Well, as the article states, the building out in the thick jungle there was not needed, because five thousand or so Nazis and other fascist elements from Croatia and Italy were simply allowed by the government of Argentina, to make homes and lives there.

My attitude to this find? Document the place, recover what artefacts are present, then put a MOAB down over the footprint of the ruin, and blast it from the face of the world.

I think the UK should have taken the chance to bomb that town were all the ex NAZI lived dureing the falkland war  

a reply to: crazyewok

Well, I would only have been ok with a termination event of that sort, if it was carried out by way of meticulous efforts to identify the relevant parties, and take them out surgically. Collateral is not acceptable.

sheeze... now a dilapidated stone building compound in the rainforest...

decades ago, around the Korean police action era the stories were about Hitler and staff having a lavish town sized compound in Patagonia
Then the stories of NAZI Brass escape and resettlement centered on Antarctica and a hidden city which flying saucers would recon from...

the dual citizens, neocons here... and the 4th reich in the NATO puppet state Ukraine are the present day resurgent neo-nazis, but the finger of accusation points everywhere else to deflect scrutiny, including a remote overgrown vestage of a Nazi escapee homestead in the Argentine wilderness

You never know.


www.express.co.uk...



Plenty of stories. Missing uboats at the end of the war. anything is possible.

From the video



It says the village was build by Jesuits on the 50s and then acquired by Martin Borman, the facilities was abandoned in the 70s.

So, build after the end of WWII, somehow translate into a nazi hideout for the leaders... yeah right


I grow up in a very small Andes town, there was 2 nazi there, I knew one, he gave me some painting lessons, once we had dinner with him and he used porcelain plates with the nazi eagle on them i bet after he died someone made a big chunk of money with the nazi memorabilia, the other died before i was born, it is said he was an SS official and people in the town hate him, and called murderer and so on.

One day people saw him going to the town water supply with a bottle of poison, after that people dint drink water for 3 days and never again bother the man until he died, after he was gone, people found a nice 1930s Mercedes in his home in that remote town.

It is clear to me these men dint flee Germany in a hurry fearing for their life, i don't think when you are in a hurry you take the tableware and your flashy car, some planing must have being involve in this relocation, so I have no doubt some other people did the same in other locations, perhaps with the idea of keeping alive the nazi ideal, but with all the time that has passed they are long dead and their ideas gone with them, otherwise we would have nazi guerrillas in south America or something.

a reply to: Indigent

The Nazi that gave you painting lessons, was he a notorious guy? Now I know you say he was a Nazi, he does sounds like a nice guy since he gave you painting lessons and seem to have been acquainted with your family.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

Nah he was a Polish nazi soldier

en.wikipedia.org...

Or so he claimed

We meet him from some foreigners that had a vacation house in there, my mom wanted to paint and these people told her the guy was a great painter, he was somewhat reclusive, i don't think he even leave his house.

He tried, and failed, to teach me how to paint

originally posted by: machineintelligence
a reply to: Trueman



I copied the title verbatim from "The Telegraph" source article as is required in the Breaking News section on ATS.

I see. Now we know that source is not reliable. I read it in a local newspaper. Too bad for the Telegraph.

Not your fault.

a reply to: Indigent

Your story is way cooler than the thread.

Good and interesting find op. These ruins should be preserved to act as a museum.
It will cost a lot of money though.

originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: hutch622

They had help.The Catholic church and the Red Cross were helping funnel them out.
second line
The Odessa

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...

This gives you a general idea about how they got out.

Probably better known as "the Rat Line".

As for Hess there is genuine grounds for conspiracy there. It appeared that several well-to-do English nobility were ready to attempt private negotiations with Germany, something that would have destroyed public spirit for war and made the question their own leadership.

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: machineintelligence

They just dont walk out of Germany towards the end of the war without help .

Awesome. Took all of one post for someone to skip right past the point of the story and to blame America. Pathetic.

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: Soloprotocol

"Appointed Deputy Führer to Adolf Hitler in 1933, he served in this position until 1941, when he flew solo to Scotland in an attempt to negotiate peace with the United Kingdom during World War II. He was taken prisoner and eventually was convicted of crimes against peace, serving a life sentence."

Trying to negotiate peace is a crime against peace . Yep i get it .

My dad was a teenage farm labourer in Eaglesham, Scotland, when Hess's plane crashed there.
Hess was less than 10 minutes from his intended destination of Dungavel when he came down.
I'm fairly sure my dad said that he actually heard or saw the plane coming down, and visited the crash site - he even claimed to have had a piece of the wreckage at one point! but it was many years ago and my dad is long gone, so I can't comfirm the details
G

a reply to: jaffo

The post you quoted contained no reference to the Americans, so I fail to see where your comment came from. We all know there were VARIOUS players who could have been, and indeed were involved in smuggling awful people out of Germany during the period in question, but I really think your reaction to the post you replied to was a little over the top.

a reply to: machineintelligence

Double day........

a reply to: machineintelligence

I wonder how many ww2 German collectors are seeing this and thinking.......JACKPOT. Maybe this place is filled with Knights crosses and SS daggers.....OH MY.



To give a little context to what I just posted if you found these items they would be worth 10,000's of thousands. Anything top level guy type of stuff can reach 6 figures easy.

a reply to: hutch622

No, they flew out of Germany when they knew they'd lost.
There are countless stories of senior Nazis putting their family on planes and leaving the country at the end of the war, and several prominent figures in the regime also fled the same way while the allies moved across Germany.

Indeed, plenty of scientists and engineers were given save harbour in our countries too, that much we know for a fact and it's not hidden either. These were some of the brightest minds of their day, and without them we would not have made it to the moon.

It also begs the question of what specialists in their fields and what technologies the Russians also secured when we all collectively plundered the secrets of the Nazi regime.

We know there were a whole lot of top secret projects being developed by the Nazis and they had no shortage of scientists from across Europe. This is why whenever I see a story about a UFO checking out nuclear sites in the UK and US I instantly think about the tech Russia might have secured from the Nazis, just as we secured the developers of the V2 rocket.