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Paul (Pharisees) tricked Rome to kill for the god of israel and started a huge spiritual war

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posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: Chronogoblin


As for contradictions in the bible, there are NONE. If you think there are, you simply haven't been enlightened.


LOL... that's funny...

The fact is IF you believe there are none, You are either blinded by your faith... OR you haven't actually done any investigation on the matter...

Or you just believe what your preacher is telling you... In any case it is utterly naïve to believe the bible is inerrant...

It is full of contradictions from cover to cover... especially if you consider it to be ONE book, which is obviously not...

Explain this....

Acts 9:7 

And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

except...

Acts.22:9 

And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.





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posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

Actually I just got done reading Acts, not coincidence that you chose that passage. It is doubly not coincidental that you call me blind, yet you are the one that doesn't see the word for the truth it contains. Who is the blind?

I've seen you post on these topics before, and I understand why you, and folks like you read the Bible, to discredit. That's your choice. But don't act like it isn't true simply because you don't believe. Neither should you pretend knowledge, when all you really have is ignorance. You are no teacher, and I am neither naive, nor ignorant of reality.

I follow no Pastor save the Lord. If you truly sought the Lord, that would be one thing, but you don't. You only want to vindicate your own assumptions. I am guessing that something happened to you, once upon a time, that left a foul taste in your mouth when it comes to Yeshua HaMashiach. However, that was not the Lord, but men that left you wanting, and now you race to defend the ones who left you hurt? Your choice.

To any who actually CARE about all this, here is the response to the supposed contradiction (of which there is NONE, as I said before.): One place, and Another.

Obvious baiting aside, if you truly cared for the word, you'd find the answers you seek. You are the only thing holding you back. Jesus is waiting for you, you just have to accept Him. If you really don't care, you wouldn't participate in these things, even to deride. Those who do not believe, do not DO...



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 05:26 PM
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a reply to: Chronogoblin

Just stop the assumptions about me... I am not the issue...

the issue is your claim of inerrancy... which I will show is nothing but blindness to the truth of the matter

So your claim is that there were two writers in acts... Luke, and Paul... so which one wrote this part?

Acts 26
At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.

14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

In this third account of his conversion we find that instead of all the men standing there amazed... We find that everyone fell to the ground...

Heres another one for you...

Exodus 4:5 
That they may believe that the LORD God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee.

Except...

Exodus 33:20 
And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Apparently no man can see God and live... Jesus also clarifies this argument by saying "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father"

So no one has ever seen God, and if they could they would surely die... except a few people who did see God and managed to live through the experience...




posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: Chronogoblin

Heres your chance...

Prove me wrong...

Defending Inerrancy in the Bible




posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 07:15 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Do you agree that when you sin it is not you who is sinning?

That is a trick question directed at Apostle Paul's teaching in that Paul confessed his sin to the entire world. Paul was a cause of murdering at one time in his life and after his conversion fought Satan continuously. In fact Paul had an infirmity of or in the flesh and asked Jesus to heal that infirmity three times. Jesus refused to heal Paul and allowed Satan to afflict him in knowing that Paul was weak in controlling his addiction to sin and that allowing Satan to continue buffeting him would keep his mind upon God.

Paul admitted this very thing as he confessed that his flesh could not obey his spirit. He was a babe in Christ at this time in his life and in later years did keep his flesh under control of his spirit. To judge any man by past life is not fair to that man. Paul concealed nothing of his past life from anyone which is far more than you or I have ever imagined. Who he judged as a Sanhedrin Saul has nothing in likeness to the disciple Paul of Christ Jesus.

As far as sin is concerned, every one sins each hour of life and perhaps more. When anyone sins that one is not in Christ Jesus while in that act of sin. Which portion of the person is responsible for that sin? To answer that is to ask which portion of man is judged? Flesh or spirit? What is your belief in that matter? The reason for that answer is that some believe both spirit and flesh are raised and judged in the last day while others believe in the doctrine of Christ Jesus who teaches that the body dies once and and the spirit is judged immediately upon death. Flesh can be afflicted, controlled and possessed by Satan against the will of the spirit. Paul is an example of this very thing.



posted on Mar, 23 2015 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Seede

3NL1GHT3N3D1: No faith but works? You're not saved. Faith but no works? You're saved.
Paul taught faith and no works saves. He even justifies sinning by saying he isn't the one doing the sin anymore.
So sin as much as you want, you aren't the one doing it anyways, and when you do sin you have a scapegoat in Jesus.

Faith has nothing to do with it, it is all about Gods will (you individually have none [yet think you do]). If you go against Gods will (you being the embodiment of evil GO FOR IT), do not try to lie about it and pretend 'nice'. If you are holy so art thou be it (try to keep the negative thoughts at bay). Paul was interested in his own projection (TAKE) on Christianity. His problem he did not understand in future times his church could be translated as: "Your Ego Is Not Your Friend". Jesus was Paul's scapegoat "misbehave all you like as Jesus forgives all past present and future sins". God IS a PLAYER here that is forgotten in the mix of man kinds attempt to define it/locate it or understand its being. What you would consider to be your 'nature' is misdiagnosed or interpreted as your 'free will'. If you go against your nature you are violating Gods will. Hard concept; free/self will does not exist.
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posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 11:21 AM
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Faith has nothing to do with it, it is all about Gods will Text

You are greatly mistaken in that philosophy unless you are not in Christian theology. The God of Jesus teaches us that He has a perfect will and that knowing none of His creation can perform in life and be in His perfect will He concedes a permissive will. This permissive will is manifested through His Begotten Son by offering justification through faith. Not by works of the law but entirely by the gift of mercy through faith in His Son Jesus.

Without faith in Christ Jesus no one can be justified to live forever in the kingdom of God. When you speak of faith in Christianity you must be aware that there is only one faith and that faith is the belief that Jesus is the Begotten of God and the only name given to His creation whereby we can obtain justification.



(you individually have none [yet think you do]). If you go against Gods will (you being the embodiment of evil GO FOR IT), do not try to lie about it and pretend 'nice'. If you are holy so art thou be it (try to keep the negative thoughts at bay).


You are right in that I have not been in God's perfect will but you are wrong when you say that I think I am. I am in God's permissive will and am justified only by faith and by His mercy through faith in Christ Jesus. Every person on this planet who has lived and died or is still living, has never been in God's perfect will and never will be in His perfect will. That is why His Son was given as a mercy seat through faith that His Son can forgive us our daily trespasses. Paul preached this very same message.



Paul was interested in his own projection (TAKE) on Christianity. His problem he did not understand in future times his church could be translated as: "Your Ego Is Not Your Friend". Jesus was Paul's scapegoat "misbehave all you like as Jesus forgives all past present and future sins". God IS a PLAYER here that is forgotten in the mix of man kinds attempt to define it/locate it or understand its being. What you would consider to be your 'nature' is misdiagnosed or interpreted as your 'free will'. If you go against your nature you are violating Gods will. Hard concept; free/self will does not exist.Faith has nothing to do with it, it is all about Gods will (you individually have none [yet think you do]).


And now we come to your intent. Try to destroy the messenger and nullify the message. Paul continuously faced death and harm in his ministry and has no record of self grandeur or profit. I challenge you to show in scriptures where Paul profited through Christianity. You have no idea of Saul (Paul) and his potential wealth which he forsook after his conversion to Christianity.

Show me where Paul expounded his own doctrine. Show me where Paul propagated sin. It simply is not true and those who parrot this lie are worse than the accusations against the Apostle of Christ Jesus. Accusations are not justifications by any measure. Whoever your teacher or teachers are need schooling in correct interpretation of translation and transliteration to English.



posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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So your claim is that there were two writers in acts... Luke, and Paul... so which one wrote this part? Acts 26 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. 14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Could be several explanations. It may have been that Paul wrote this account and it was later scribed by Luke. Luke and Acts were one original work at the onset. Luke was actually a companion and disciple of Paul and is thought to have not only written of Paul but also experienced Paul's accounts to him. So in retrospect it is very likely that Paul told this to Luke as Luke scribed the words into the book of the Acts of the Apostles. Also it may have been that Luke had Paul write this account in Luke's accounts in the book of Acts. Nothing unusual in this at all.



Exodus 4:5  That they may believe that the LORD God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee.

This has nothing to do with looking at God. It was an act of faith given by God to Moses to witness a rod turn into a snake. Nothing more.



Exodus 33:20  And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

This was centuries prior to Christ Jesus and at this time the terrestrial could not associate with the celestial. Even Moses who talked with God through the tabernacle did not see His face.



Apparently no man can see God and live... Jesus also clarifies this argument by saying "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father" So no one has ever seen God, and if they could they would surely die... except a few people who did see God and managed to live through the experience...

Nothing terrestrial can look upon God and continue to live as a terrestrial entity. As Jesus was the celestial image of God in the heavens and manifested Himself into the terrestrial image of God, then we could look upon the image of God through Jesus. This is because the celestial and terrestrial image (identification) does not change. Only the substance of the image changes between celestial and terrestrial. As the Word became flesh His image changed substance but His Holy Spirit remained the same.

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Those who lived and saw Jesus saw the image of God. Today we do not have a photo or drawing of His image.

1John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.



posted on Mar, 24 2015 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: Seede

The kingdom of God is not here or there. The Kingdom of God is within you (Luke 17:20-21)...

Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.

To enter the Kingdom of God is to go within and find The Spirit - The Mercy/Love which allows you to keep peace with others.

Jesus said not everyone calling me "lord, lord" will enter the Kingdom but only those who do the Will of God and Jesus says peacemakers will be the children of God not just someone believing in Jesus as a blood sacrifice for sin.

Like Jesus said, if you would had known that he desires mercy not sacrifice you would not have condemned the innocent.



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: arpgme




The kingdom of God is not here or there. The Kingdom of God is within you (Luke 17:20-21)... Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God. To enter the Kingdom of God is to go within and find The Spirit - The Mercy/Love which allows you to keep peace with others. Jesus said not everyone calling me "lord, lord" will enter the Kingdom but only those who do the Will of God and Jesus says peacemakers will be the children of God not just someone believing in Jesus as a blood sacrifice for sin. Like Jesus said, if you would had known that he desires mercy not sacrifice you would not have condemned the innocent.

Yes you are correct as far as you have gone.

As a living person your spirit can not enter the celestial city of New Jerusalem to eat of the tree and drink of the water of life. The house your spirit lives in now is your body of flesh and and is entrapped in this terrestrial environment. As a terrestrial entity you cannot see the celestial kingdom because it is not here or there. The kingdom of God is not terrestrial but celestial. It is within your spirit that it exists and not in the flesh. Your spirit is spiritual but is not living in the celestial and because it must first become justified in order to enter the celestial kingdom.

The kingdom of God (Heaven) must first be within the spirit which then becomes justified through Christ Jesus. It cannot be seen by others because it is within the spirit of that person. I call it belief or salvation or justification but nevertheless it cannot be understood as a building or earthly place. Luke is simply saying that don't believe anyone who tells you it is terrestrial. It is not here or there. It is within you.

As the soul dies the justified spirit is then given everlasting life in the celestial kingdom of God (Heaven).

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Luke 13:29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

Read the last two chapters of Revelation. In those chapters you will find the celestial kingdom of God.



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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I really want to thank-you for this post and thread...I needed a good laugh!
Too busy to play right now,I will be back later!



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: Chronogoblin

Your right Paul's verses are in there for a reason but it's not rejecting the word the bible warns of what is false and true in the bible it even admits there is false doctrine in the bible to warn us and you know that



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

The bible itself admits evil men would edit it to make the masses subservient bet he won't say anything about that



posted on Mar, 25 2015 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing



Faith has nothing to do with it, it is all about Gods will Text


Seede: You are greatly mistaken in that philosophy unless you are not in Christian theology. The God of Jesus teaches us that He has a perfect will and that knowing none of His creation can perform in life and be in His perfect will He concedes a permissive will. This permissive will is manifested through His Begotten Son by offering justification through faith. Not by works of the law but entirely by the gift of mercy through faith in His Son Jesus.


I am not in any theology; I am an observer is all. The God of Jesus is the God of 'all possible' not ordained to one creature's faith. Greatly mistaken (how can this be, Jesus is fully nine dimensional). Perfect will, perfect self will. NO. Only God has that classification; humans are ACTORS (thinking they have free will; not true).


Seede: Without faith in Christ Jesus no one can be justified to live forever in the kingdom of God. When you speak of faith in Christianity you must be aware that there is only one faith and that faith is the belief that Jesus is the Begotten of God and the only name given to His creation whereby we can obtain justification.


What happened to a faith in a God form; why does "Jesus" have to be the interloper BEACON Expression of God? I communicate with 'god' everyday without a "PUNDIT" telling me how to do so.


VHB:
(you individually have none [yet think you do]). If you go against Gods will (you being the embodiment of evil GO FOR IT), do not try to lie about it and pretend 'nice'. If you are holy so art thou be it (try to keep the negative thoughts at bay).



Seede: You are right in that I have not been in God's perfect will but you are wrong when you say that I think I am. I am in God's permissive will and am justified only by faith and by His mercy through faith in Christ Jesus. Every person on this planet who has lived and died or is still living, has never been in God's perfect will and never will be in His perfect will. That is why His Son was given as a mercy seat through faith that His Son can forgive us our daily trespasses. Paul preached this very same message.


Paul is not sacrosanct; Paul is an abomination (ego driven).


Veteranhumanbeing:
Paul was interested in his own projection (TAKE) on Christianity. His problem he did not understand in future times his church could be translated as: "Your Ego Is Not Your Friend". Jesus was Paul's scapegoat "misbehave all you like as Jesus forgives all past present and future sins". God IS a PLAYER here that is forgotten in the mix of man kinds attempt to define it/locate it or understand its being. What you would consider to be your 'nature' is misdiagnosed or interpreted as your 'free will'. If you go against your nature you are violating Gods will. Hard concept; free/self will does not exist.Faith has nothing to do with it, it is all about Gods will (you individually have none [yet think you do]).



Seede: And now we come to your intent. Try to destroy the messenger and nullify the message. Paul continuously faced death and harm in his ministry and has no record of self grandeur or profit. I challenge you to show in scriptures where Paul profited through Christianity. You have no idea of Saul (Paul) and his potential wealth which he forsook after his conversion to Christianity.
Show me where Paul expounded his own doctrine. Show me where Paul propagated sin. It simply is not true and those who parrot this lie are worse than the accusations against the Apostle of Christ Jesus. Accusations are not justifications by any measure. Whoever your teacher or teachers are need schooling in correct interpretation of translation and transliteration to English.


Destroy what messenger? JESUS? Paul was a coward riding the coat tails of a [start up] belief system he thought could gain him MONEY and ALLOCAIDES (all of this happened). Paul was a "soothsayer" promoting ONE GOD. A SHILL for the Pagan Romans. Accusations? Look at his legacy, (I have no teachers to know I am them all) justified; THIS truth. Paul was all in for himself (make a name for himself, set up his foundation; the RCC). You seem to be forgetting: THE ONE THE AUO: Where does God come into the mix regarding mankinds invention of an organized religion? NOT ITS PLAN AT ALL (mans dream of a child's color book describing; [Koran, Bible] of god without doing the homework). Look at man kind; it disasters interpreting god through scripture (IT WAS ALLOWED); the foibles the gold mining the manufacturing of souls, the killing of entire civilizations in the name of Allah or Christ. Religious doctrine is a good thing? REALLY, its all about power and has nothing to do with GOD ASPECT.




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posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 06:27 AM
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about Christianity better than marcus eli ravage no one will tell you , he killed for this revelation
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posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 09:30 AM
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Pay attention, you dull ones among the crowds! You fools! Will you ever become wise?

Think of our Lord’s patience as facilitating salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him.
He speaks about this subject in all his letters. Some things in them are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, leading to their own destruction, as they do the rest of the Scriptures.

II Peter 3:15

You think you are so clever. So wise. Nobody can fool you! Yet the light you claim to possess is darkness. You believe that you can can see, yet you're utterly and completely blind!



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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What happened to a faith in a God form; why does "Jesus" have to be the interloper BEACON Expression of God? I communicate with 'god' everyday without a "PUNDIT" telling me how to do so.

You might have misunderstood me. What I write is my opinion. I am not an authority in the matter of God or any religion. In fact if you believe you are right and I am wrong then you are entitled to believe what ever you want to believe. You could be right and I could be wrong. You and I will simply have to wait and see.



"Paul was a coward riding the coat tails of a [start up] belief system he thought could gain him MONEY and ALLOCAIDES (all of this happened)."

I don't believe that at all. Paul was a well educated and brilliant Sanhedrin judge with great wealth and established reputation. He had nothing to gain and in fact forsook all of his wealth in the ministry to propagate God through Jesus. Paul had no connection to the formation of the Christian church whatsoever and held no office of authority in the church. In fact he was not supported by any organization and earned his own living by tent making.

After his conversion he was not connected to the Roman government at all except that he was free born. In fact the Romans were the very ones that held him in prison and beat him and left him for dead. The Roman Catholic Church was not even thought of at this time so I do not understand where you got the idea that he was a shill for Rome or formed any part of the Catholic Church.

Yes Paul did promote the belief of one God and he has never ever said that Jesus was God. In fact Christianity was never founded on the belief that Jesus was God. Jesus was never God and true Christianity will never tell you that Jesus was God. Jesus is recorded as saying that He was the begotten Son of God but never God Himself.



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 11:44 AM
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It's not a trick question at all. God's word never changes right? So what Paul says is to be truth now and forever, or is that not the case?

You avoided answering the question, I can only assume by avoiding the question you are disagreeing with what is being said by Paul. Paul was supposedly filled with the Holy Spirit while writing Romans 7, and Romans is considered to be one of, if not THE most important book in the bible except for maybe the gospels themselves.

Do you agree that when you sin it is not you who is sinning but the sin itself that lives within you? Why would God allow something that is untrue to be put in his book? Or do you believe what Paul says here is true?



posted on Mar, 26 2015 @ 07:07 PM
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You avoided answering the question, I can only assume by avoiding the question you are disagreeing with what is being said by Paul. Paul was supposedly filled with the Holy Spirit while writing Romans 7, and Romans is considered to be one of, if not THE most important book in the bible except for maybe the gospels themselves. Do you agree that when you sin it is not you who is sinning but the sin itself that lives within you? Why would God allow something that is untrue to be put in his book? Or do you believe what Paul says here is true?

When I commit a sin it can be in the spirit or it can be in the flesh. The spirit is always in conflict with the flesh unless the spirit is not of God. If my spirit is not of God then I would not be justified but would be under the law. My flesh can be sinful and against my spirit. Flesh can be possessed by Satan without the consent of the spirit. Flesh can become diseased by Satan without the consent of the spirit. Flesh can perish without the consent of the spirit. Flesh can be buffeted by Satan without the consent of the spirit. Flesh can sin against God without the consent of the spirit. Then again the spirit can also be corrupt and not justified through Christ Jesus.



posted on Mar, 27 2015 @ 01:26 AM
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Paul says if you sin against God then that's ok because Jesus died for your sins.
Then he says in Romans 13 that if you resist (not obey) the powers that be, you receive condemnation since there is no power except God's so God put them there to be obeyed.

Paul seems to be more concerned with people following Rome than God.


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