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originally posted by: undo
that's why the text says Adam KNEW his wife and she begat. notice it doesn't say adam had sex with his wife. that's because it means the same thing. the big presto chango was we went from being copies of elohim, to being procreators who made our own copies.
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree*1 which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it*2, neither shall ye touch*3it, lest ye die.
Explanations from above verse: *1 fruit of the tree = Hebrew word # 6529 periy- fruit, in a wide sense: a) fruit, produce (of the ground), or b) fruit, offspring, children, progeny ( used of the womb), or figuratively c) fruit (of actions). *2 eat of it = Hebrew word #398; 'akal (aw-kal'); This word has many uses, among which, one use means to lay with a woman (which is a sexual act). *3 touch = Hebrew word # 5060; naga` (naw-gah'); Properly, to touch, ie: to lay the hand upon (for any purpose); euphemism for: to lie with a woman.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes*1, and a tree to be desired*2 to make one wise*3, she took*4 of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Explanations from above verse: I think you will find that this is certainly no ordinary tree, for it wasn't a tree at all, it was satan. *1 pleasant to the eyes = Hebrew word #2530; chamad: To desire, to covet, to take pleasure in, to delight in, to be desirable, to delight greatly, to desire greatly, desirableness, preciousness.*2 desired = Hebrew word # 8378 ta'avah (tah-av-aw'); from 183 (abbreviated); to yearn for, to lust after (used of bodily appetites) a longing; by implication, a delight (subjectively, satisfaction, objectively, a charm): a desire, a wish, longings of one's heart; lust, an appetite, covetousness (in a bad sense), to covet, to wait longingly. *3 make one wise = Apple trees don't make you smart. But satan can fill your mind with evil 'wisdom' and evil thoughts! *4 took = Hebrew word # 3947 laqach (law-kakh'); a primitive root; to take (in the widest variety of applications): to take, to lay hold of, to receive, to marry, to take a wife, to take to or for a person, to procure, to get, to take possession of, to select, to choose, to take in marriage, to receive, to accept.
3 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled*1 me, and I did eat. (KJV)
Explanations from above verse: *1 beguiled = Hebrew word # 5377 nasha' (naw-shaw');a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce: to beguile, to deceive utterly (infinitive).
We see the word "Beguiled" defined here, and it is far more than being tricked into munching on an apple. But the Ancient Hebrew language of the Old testament doesn't translate as well into English as the ancient Greek of the new Testament does. To really nail the point home as far as what occurred between Eve and the "serpent." Let's read an account of it in the Greek language of the New Testament book of 2nd Corinthians. Lets go into a new language, and let Apostle Paul teach us in the Greek language of the New testament exactly what happened to Eve in the Garden of Eden:
2 Cor 11:2-3 (Apostle Paul speaking)
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent*1 beguiled*2 Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. (KJV)
Explanations from above verse: Remember, we are now in the Greek language of the New Testament: *1 serpent = Greek word # 3789 ophis (of'-is); probably from 3700 (through the idea of sharpness of vision); a snake, figuratively (as a type of sly cunning) an artful malicious person, especially Satan: with the ancients, the serpent was an emblem of cunning and wisdom. The serpent who deceived Eve was regarded by the Jews as the Devil. *2 beguiled = Greek word #1818 "exapatao" (ex-ap-at-ah'-o); To seduce wholly. This was a sexual act. There can be no misunderstanding as to the meaning of what the serpent did to Eve, as there is only one meaning of the word 'expatao' in the Greek language.
Gen 3:14-15
15 And I will put enmity*1 between thee and the woman*2, and between thy seed and her seed*3; it*4shall bruise thy head*5, and thou*6shalt bruise his heel*7.
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life*1, and eat, and live for ever:
Explanations from above verse: *1 the tree of life = Jesus is "The Tree of Life," although it was not yet time for Him to be revealed and to fulfill His prophecy.
Gen 4:1-2
1 And Adam knew*1 Eve his wife; and she conceived*2, and bare Cain*3, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD*4.
Explanations from above verse: *1 knew = Sexual intercourse. *2 conceived = Second conception (Abel). *3 Cain = Born first (serpents son). *4 = Read as: "I have gotten a son with the help of the Lord:" ('ish 'eth Jehovah). Eve had no idea what was going on here, she did not know that Cain was from the serpent (satan).
2 And she again*1 bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Explanations from above verse: *1 again = Hebrew word # 3254; yacaph (yaw-saf'); a primitive root; to add or augment (often adverbial, to continue to do a thing). In other words, Eve continued in labor and had the second of twins.
OK, now If Eve bore Cain and then continued in labor and bore Abel, what do you have? Twins of course. And If Adam had her once, and the serpent had her once, and God told her that her punishment would be to bear children (plural, and most specifically male) in sorrow (not the pain of delivering children), and that her children's children would always be enemies, even murder! What do you have? What's shaping up here?
Cain and Abel were Fraternal Twins, born of two separate conceptions, by two different fathers. One, satan through the serpent; and one, God through Adam, and eventually 4000 years later, umbilical cord to umbilical cord would be born the Messiah Jesus Christ, whom satan would cause to be nailed to the cross (bruise His heels), crucified; but whom would eventually cast satan into the lake of fire (Hell) and eternal death (bruise his head).
Gen 5:1-7
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
originally posted by: undo
originally posted by: eisegesis
originally posted by: undo
originally posted by: eisegesis
a reply to: nenothtu
So what exactly was wrong in the OP again?
you can be a creationist and not be christian. there's also muslims, jews, ancient alien theorists and hindus, as well. have you ever read the mahabharata? even the ancient egyptians believed in creation.
But the thread was specifically about creationist views interpreted from the Bible. I'm aware of what the general definition of creationism is.
well oddly enough, i found out that the sumerian version of creation is the same thing as the biblical version and the egyptian version. i also find hints in norse histories, that sound as if it is also the same thing. really, you can trace this all over the world except ancient china: around 3000 bc, all their ancient histories were destroyed.
originally posted by: eisegesis
You know what I just noticed, not one person on this entire thread wanted to talk about the archeological find.
That made me chuckle.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
No one ever suggests that Intelligent design may have used evolution as the tool to make man.
originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Develo
atum raised the mountain of creation from the abyss (nun)
enki raised the e.abzu temple from the abyss (abzu) and floated it over the water like a lofty mountain
elohim hovered over the face of the abyss (the deep)
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: undo
a reply to: mOjOm
the trees of the garden are metaphors for genetic inheritance. the serpent is dna. the tree of knowledge is the dna for genetic inheritance via procreation. we went from being elohim copies (sounds like clones) to procreators, where we created our own copies (to have knowledge or knowing meant to create/copy via sex, or procreate, to have intimate knowledge of someone = have sex). so knowing like gods, was the same things the elohim were doing, creatively - et. al, creating copies of ourselves. it's really obvious when you recognize the metaphors are trying to explain science.
I got a little difference view....
What if the garden of Eden was the animal kingdom? There is no good or evil there only innocence. Man at one point was a part of that world and then one day became self aware after eating from the apple of knowledge. This was the point that man could no longer walk naked and so put clothe on and had the ability to do conscious acts of good or evil, hence the reason for the serpent... The interesting part is once man left the Garden he could never go back to the world, so Eden is all around us and we are the only creature on earth that is not apart of it...
We can also say evolution, but that is a lot more boring....
originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
a reply to: eisegesis
No matter what evidence you ewill bring to the table it won't matter. People that believe the bible is the infallible word of God will still keep finding ways to try to make scripture into fact.
One of my relatives told me that she dropped one of her online classes (humanities) becasue they were teaching alot of stuff that she did not believe in. I asked her, "Oh yeah like what?" She said well they keep saying that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and I just don't believe that."
I was shocked, I had always heard of people that believed the earth was 6,000 years old but I had never actually talked to one who admitted it.
I asked her, "What about starlight? What about things like the grand canyon and continental drift and all of the other overwhelming evidence that the Earth is far older than 6,000 years?"
She said yeah I don't believe in any of that either.
You can't argue with that kind of logic.
originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: Develo
The false prophets once again. Did you catch the last line of the video? When he asks "Were dinosaurs on the ark" and the kids say yes, no, maybe - then he says "Sure they were. We don't know". It's the "we don't know" that blows his cover. These people know exactly what the goal line is - instill a cult mentality in young minds. Teach them not to ask questions. Tell them "you can't know these things". Enough of them buy into it then they are ripe for the next step which is a political movement.
delusion
dɪˈl(j)uːʒ(ə)n/Valider
noun
an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
originally posted by: Phantom423
Tell them "you can't know these things". Enough of them buy into it then they are ripe for the next step which is a political movement.
originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Develo
this is an excerpt from the show where the science team found super massive black holes were in the center of every galaxy they looked at. from this, they developed the theory that the galaxies were formed when super massive black holes began feeding on gas, which caused them to go into "active" phase (the ascending and descending jets of active galaxies, when a black hole is feeding), and in turn, they were creating the mass that constructed the galaxies around them. like a giant creative (and destructive) mechanism. a mammoth recycling plant.