No, You are NOT a Warrior/Operator/Revolutionary!

a reply to: Masterjaden

Dude you don't do BBJ bro?

What about Muay Thai?

Do you lift bro?

You tap or I snap!

That's usually the conversation when I run across a enthusiastic BBJ?MMA guy who hasn't been around. Then they ask me what I do and I'm like Arnis/Kali/SIlat and they are like "So you don't do BJJ?!? PFFFT Whatever dude. What are you going to do when 110% of all fights go to the ground bro? And I'm like. knock them out before they put me on the ground. You know striking.

And they are like you mean Muay Thai and I'm like no Suntakan & mano y mano some western boxing. And they are like You don't do Muay Thai bro? PFFFT Whatever dude. What are you going to do when I throw a Muay Thai kick at you. I'm like charge you and body check you're standing on one legged ass onto the ground.

And they are like naw bro I do grappling. And I'm like I do too and they are like. BBJ? and I'm like no Dumog. And they are like whatever bro? What if I do a lock flow on you? And I just sigh and walk away.

Sad thing is they are talking crap about whatever it is I do and they probably have no idea what one art was that I referenced.

I've noticed those that are really good at martial arts usually don't look it, and usually don't tell many.

I'm not sure of whom you have talked with or what exactly they say. That being said, if/when the SHTF, us that have not served in the theater of war are there as grunts. There are no doubts that if this country pushed its people too far and took one too many rights away, there would be a time to act. I would like to think active and non active would be there to stand against it. I'm mostly sure, those who have served would be in positions to lead and train, people like myself maybe nothing but targets to take the attention away from the skilled to improve THEIR chances of improving OUR situation. We would be armed to the tits, that's right, but we would be sacrificing for those who sacrificed for this country long before us.
If you are a picture of those future leaders of this war, we're in trouble. In the end, both of us will risk our lives so the real USA can live again. I really don't know what to say but you need to lead, not bully....sergeant.

So wait, if I kill 5 mooslums with my dual wield desert eagles I don't get a care package? That sucks.

Starred, flagged, and copied/pasted to several people I know.

BS OP I've got a Magpul sticker and an armadillo bottle opener!

I laughed pretty hard at the combat accuracy thing. I had a buddy who was obsessed with guns, all he talked about was guns, said that he studied weaponry and generally tried to act like a badass. We go to the range, and at BEST he was combat accurate. "Guess I'm having an off day", every time.

At the end of the day it's like any other hobby. Think about every guy that thinks he's a master BBQ-er, or a rally car driver (I've outed myself), or artist. It happens with everything. Yeah, you may have a sweet guitar, but you can't read music and you sure as crap aren't going to write anything.

I don't get the butthurt in this thread. You were being condescending towards a certain element (and rightly so), not everyone lacking military training.

I think you would also agree that everyone in the military who thinks they're a badass for signing a piece of paper and has basically 0 training in combat is just as bad. You're just taking issue with phonies and braggarts.

a reply to: Domo1

your so right bro

(sarcasm)

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: projectvxn

Holy crap... awesome rant.

It takes a certain resolve to be in combat. I've been shot at before and my instincts overrode everything I "knew" I would do in that situation. I grabbed the kids around me and huddled behind a bench. In my fantasies regarding those situations, I grabbed the nearest metal trash can and rushed the baddies while deflecting their bullets with my awesome skillz. In reality? I just did what I could and ducked for safety.

When I hear "I would have blah blah blah" or "Those thugs were lucky I wasn't around with my 408 mm hand cannon +2 Charisma", it really makes me wonder if they actually believe what they are saying. I've personally seen some of these people and their effort put into being a "warrior" doesn't extend beyond their financial investment and it's obvious as you've pointed out.

When somebody like me points that out, it means nothing so it's nice to hear and actual warrior class person lay it out.

After joining the Army in 1983 at the age of 17 I have spent the major portion of the last 32 years in the military or as a DoD civilian with the military. During that time I have had the luck never to have been shot at directly. I have been bombed, missled, rocketed and had a mine go off far to close for comfort. Your reaction was perfectly normal, you moved your kids out of harms way and stayed out of the way. Having things go boom next to you or around you is scary and everybody reacts that way. If any of the ex military here says other wise, they are lying to you, crazy or stupid. The difference is the training and the will power. I was scared most the time I had things dropping in on top of me, but I also knew others where counting on me to do my job. That's the real difference between someone wo can cope and someone own can't. You do your job even when your scared and afraid because if you don't someone that is relying on you may not come home.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

Noo... He's just saying that if you're not him, you're a loser... TOTAL difference.

He's been through some #, humping through the bush... Because he said so...

People who post these messages are just insecure about their place in life. We don't need his approval to say what we are or aren't.

a reply to: projectvxn

Living in the hood is enough prep. It's basically an every day struggle in combat, minus the mortars but enough method house explosions have kinda prepared us for those too.

a reply to: grahag

You sure don't need my approval.

But like anything else, if you BS enough, someone will call you on it.

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
a reply to: projectvxn

Well I guess TPTB win... All us civvies are just fat ass gear sacks with no actual ability to speak of.

Damn. There for a while I was thinking we might have actually had a chance.

Nah, even if the majority of people did have combat ability TPTB would still win. They have better toys.

okay i have to say something. Its so f'en true. Theres so many dbags who think their goddamn warriors. gearqueers. All you need is a plate carrier and a goddamn weapon. Now, Im a combat medic so I also take a aidbag with me. but the point stays the same. All these damn airsofters wearing 80 pounds of gear. Bro, the sf medic i worked with literally wore a tank top under his plate carrier, high speed ball cap, scar, aidbag, radio. thats it. I am not saying if your not military you dont know anything. But at the same time i dont wear a toolbelt with every nail size there is and say I build buildings. Just my 2cents. And to all my military bretheren on this page, air assualt! lol jk i #en hate the 101st

OP....I was about to applaud this post. I still do, however, a bit of logic seeped into my old noggin and allow me to present a retort.
First of all, I am in no way in favor of local, untrained militias as you described and I think you described them quite well. I'm also not a soldier.

I did want to point out that these enemies that you, as a soldier, were trained to fight...these enemies that send bullets whizzing past your head...bullets that pierce the skulls of your friends standing near by...

These enemies are primarily locals who have banded together and trained themselves.

If what us civilians see and hear on the news is accurate - than the bad guys in places like Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, etc...these are all just local guerillas who trained together in groups by other civilians....

Pardon me if I ask...but how do those men differ from the people you are ranting about? The enemy that you train so hard to fight...the enemy that kills you guys...the enemy is typically a bunch of civilians who took up arms against you. Correct?

a reply to: MrPlow

As much disdain as I have for the Taliban, you cannot compare ANY American civilian to them.

The comparisons you have drawn make no sense at all. Happy, comfortable mall ninjas might be deluded, but they aren't killing other civilians for political gain. They aren't torturing people, they aren't oppressing anyone.

a reply to: euwhajavb

no it's not, not even close. Living in the hood is only good for knowing how to survive in the hood.

Jaden

a reply to: Xaphan

Yeah tell that to the afghanis...lol who successfully repelled the two best, most advanced fighting forces the world has ever seen.

I hear this asinine argument all the time. Usually it comes from people who don't like what their country does but want an excuse to not try to do anything about it.

If EVERY single armed forces personnel in the US fought FOR the govt and NONE/ZERO/NADA turned and fought for the people and constitution they swore to defend, and only ten percent of the able bodied people of the US stood up to the over reaching, then the armed forces would be facing 6-1 odds...

They wouldn't know which members of the population were the targets and would not have a chance in hell.

There is guerilla warfare and improvised devices that would level almost any playing field. It's not like they can nuke or use 5000lb bombs against US cities.

The armed forces wear uniforms which in a civil war become targets rather than clothing.

There are far more retired and former military members in the US right now WITH said experience and training than there are active duty military...

That tired argument gets so old, I can't stand to hear it.

Also, as has been shown while fighting against other insurgencies, the tactics that are necessary to employ to defeat the opposition actually just succeeds in creating MORE opposition.

Jaden

Oh yeah another self involved vet telling me what I can't do, luckily not all several hundred million vets in this countries history had the same attitude.

So glad my gramps who survived dday wasn't such a holier than thou vet and actually bought me my first gun a g23.

The U.S. military is at the service of mega-corporations. They are aggressors. They employ torture. They are bloated, and they cripple the American economy. They harm everyone they involve, and that's everybody.

a reply to: Reddaysun

Just because we've invaded 140 sovereign countries doesn't make us all bad, we haven't invaded the other 60.

This year my country celebrates the 100th anniversary of the World War 1 battle Gallipoli we are spending more on pomp and ceremony than the entire defence spend on mental health for returned servicemen,Im glad I never joined the military because come time to leave they don't have your back its a thankless job.