Disinformation campaigns and the movie Mirage Men

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Socrato

There is circumstantial proof that plasmas could explain 'some' UFO sightings and also that some nations have studied and tried to "weaponize" this. But there are simply too many different encounters for it to be easily categorized into just being 'plasma'.

We are almost certainly dealing with a number of known (but unidentified) and unknown phenomena.

Yes.

An emergent phenomenon caused by multiple
factors. That's why easy to identify patterns
are hard to identify.

There are some 'hard factors' which in and of themselves
aren't enough to cause everything.. which help promote
a belief, which modifies behaviors which leads to another
hard factor forming..

If one could see this web of deception which forms 'reality'
from 'outside of time' then it would make sense; but we lack
that faculty except perhaps in our deepest imaginations.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Socrato

The book should be required reading for anyone interested in UFOs.

I personally would say that the 'true 20%' has nothing whatsoever to
do with 'aliens', but rather misidentified black aircraft in conjunction
with plasma-based effects as PARTIALLY described by the UK
government in Project Condign.

There is actually very little mystery left in 'the mystery'.

Kev

What are you talking about?

There are literally thousands of incidents of craft described as silvery, metallic, disk-shaped through the decades - nothing to do with plasma. Though some incidents involve balls of light which may be some kind of plasma, they are not in the majority.

Like this incident here discussed on ATS, quite obviously not a plasma:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And I don't know how sightings in centuries gone by would have anything to do with "black projects".

Sure black projects may explain some sightings, but it the absolute height of ignorance to claim they explain "most" or "all" sighting.

I can't see how anybody could mistake a blackbird plane for a UFO - they are plane shaped not disk shaped so why do people maintain that disk shaped UFO claims are made about them?

Also as someone mentioned earlier if we have been flying saucer shaped craft for the last 60 years then why is this technology not being used in active situations?

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The layered deception upon deception is master class.

Kev

That I totally agree with. I tried to point that out in my opening post here, page 1.

ETA: after reviewing a preview of the movie… "The myth the US government created that took over the world".

See how they do that? Now every story anyone has is suspect.

Assholes.

Yes.

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

'We' now do their fighting for them.

Kev

We also see by this they are covering up. Why would they sow such disinfo after all if theres no need? From Roswell press retraction, to weather balloons, to Project BlueBook to here… reading between the lines.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The layered deception upon deception is master class.

Kev

That I totally agree with. I tried to point that out in my opening post here, page 1.

ETA: after reviewing a preview of the movie… "The myth the US government created that took over the world".

See how they do that? Now every story anyone has is suspect.

Assholes.

Yes.

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

'We' now do their fighting for them.

Kev

We also see by this they are covering up. Why would they sow such disinfo after all if theres no need? From Roswell press retraction, to weather balloons, to Project BlueBook to here… reading between the lines.

Not at all.

The human need to believe in UFOs is the same need to believe
in a benevolent god.

Only with UFOs, the government can control the UFO narrative.

It needn't be any more complicated than that.

Now it so happens ( IMNSHO ) that there is a phenomenon which
those in power don't want people to understand.. which they
themselves don't really understand.. and which at times
APPEARS UFO-like ... but it's real significance is completely
different.

It's like pet hamsters are the real mystery; it's that different.

Kev

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Since 1947 the government has hijacked the narrative.
That's what this thread is about, not the actual reality
behind UFOs, which in fact is something completely
different, all appearances to the contrary.

That statement is what the insiders I know would
say, and you don't need to know insiders to figure
that out, if you dig deep enough. Most of what
you need to know is already on ATS and in a
couple key books.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The human need to believe in UFOs is the same need to believe
in a benevolent god.

For "thingy in the air" witnesses it isn't about belief.

With all due respect, your interpretation of my experience is subjective.

But I'm listening to your conclusive evidence of what I saw. Or at least a good explanation , besides just the government, I mean.

a reply to: intrptr

Why would they sow such disinfo after all if theres no need?

“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The human need to believe in UFOs is the same need to believe
in a benevolent god.

For "thingy in the air" witnesses it isn't about belief.

With all due respect, your interpretation of my experience is subjective.

But I'm listening to your conclusive evidence of what I saw. Or at least a good explanation , besides just the government, I mean.

I know. I know.

I saw 'thingy in the air too'.

I saw every crack, every feature in utmost detail like
it was 1 foot away.

That by the way was the biggest clue -- that and the
shape-shifting --- and the forms it shape-shifted into
(all of which I recognized).

Yes, people's experiences are subjective --- another clue.

Yes, yes, there is something 'hard' behind it -- another clue.

I'm not trying to be mysterious. It's just a difficult subject
to describe.

And I'd love to invite my friends here for an AMA,
but they would not do it.

So sorry stuck with me.. and you are welcome to disregard
what I'm saying in it's entirety if you wish..

frankly I've lost a serious amount of interest in the subject
due to the large amount that is not a mystery, and the
part that still is a mystery may not matter, except
intellectually and there are other topics in the world
besides this one for me.

I don't need to 'touch the face of god' so to speak; and
that's also why I'm more credible than the slavering
true believers who have a psychological need to
be correct due to the displaced sky daddy issues.

I'm in the process of buying a home right now,
getting married and all that.. things will hang
together long enough for my little bubble of
happiness I think (could be wrong). But as for
the future, the 'fragile earth' forum is understating
things, and it sucks I can't help much.. but it's
those type of issues which will 'get us' long before
the fakery around UFOs and the 'reality' behind
'UFOs' has any major effect, IMNSHO.

Kev

a reply to: aynock

Yes. The need is to completely control the narrative.
It almost doesn't matter what the narrative concerns
so long as there is a passionate interest in the subject.

A LOT of people read Sun Tzu.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks I get the distinction you are making now. For a minute I was wondered. Don't stop telling your tale, its all people got.

That shape shifting is very scientific, by the way. It has to to do with small temporal shifts, imo.

Part of how they move silently, violate gravity, and 'jump'.

I don't need to 'touch the face of god' so to speak; and
that's also why I'm more credible than the slavering
true believers who have a psychological need to
be correct due to the displaced sky daddy issues.

I also have big issues with organized religion, they are also duped, just like the people that believe its the government.

Also stuck in the middle, suits me just fine…

regards,

intrptr

PS: Its okay not to know.

a reply to: intrptr

There are a few possibilities on the shape-shifting.
Frankly it's not that important at this stage to know
the ultimate explanation, it's the proximate
that matters the most.

I could go on about the dodecahedron shaped cells
at the plank level, or retrocausality and that type
of thing, but just like when 'master psychics' have
been tested, and 'master channelers' have been
tested .. they can only know what they know
unconsciously, or what people around them
know..

Thus i recognized the images, as I have a very
organized mind.. and some access to my
unconscious, as I had a bit of savant
syndrome (being autistic) when I was young.

Yes one could claim that multiple time lines
or realities are presenting and the mind
picks the one it wants to see (your theory?),

but it could be more mundane --- pure
projection.. of a technological nature

or a 'plasma' (being liberal with the term)
nature.. as apparently plasma lifeforms
have evolved in conjunction with the
human nervous system and that's a
key element of all of this.. of all
the 'mysteries'.

I have my own conclusion on which
is true.

When I talk to my buddies, they talk
about 60 years of UFO phenomenon
and I discuss how the information I
have available fits in with that.

Kev

a reply to: intrptr

Another note I neglected to address.

I do not think 'it's the government' - that's only proximate.

The ultimate is more interesting.

The people being played include:

1) the government
2) the military industrial complex
3) ufo researchers
4) people on ATS
5) religious people
6) spiritual / mystical / occult people
7) scientists in general

So you see there is plenty of deception to go around.

But as we've discussed, each party acts as a de-facto
disinformation agent, and in fact powers the entire
phenomenon.

But 'aliens' and 'alien metal ships' are not involved, that
much is certain..

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yes one could claim that multiple time lines
or realities are presenting and the mind
picks the one it wants to see (your theory?),

The 'realities presenting to us' part.

Like two dimensional flat land people don't understand up, lacking the "whole picture" of an object "from the third dimension" because of their perspective.

The evidence I have for this (your obvious qualifications for direct viewing not with standing) is just as innocuous as my theory about it.

The Iranian pilot in "I know what I saw" recounts the "jump" from "here to there in one moment" of an object he was approaching in a fighter jet. @ 1:09 into here…

The other bit of subjective conclusion I draw is of the pic of the Belgium Wave object. Note the ripple effect on some (but not all) of the 'lights' (engines).

Image

Time dilations, once again, imo.

What appears to us as shift in shape is the effect of moving from one dimension through another. Just like a pencil passing through 2D Flat Landia. The occupants never see the whole pencil, just a "cross section" of it "morphing" through their perspective, if that makes any sense.

We can't resolve things over there (from our perspective) unless they want us to. Then they appear as not what they really are or not the whole thing to be more specific.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

If you hold there is alternate life forms or spirits or "Pan Dimensional Beings" (Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy) , or whatever you hold and call them, then what are they but ancient higher life forms from somewhere else?

And how do they get here?

What I saw was not from here, it was not earth tech, and yet it was technical.Also considering the Universe is infinitely big, then life is infinitely old and capable of traversing the vast distances involved to sow itself elsewhere.

Here we are…

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The layered deception upon deception is master class.

Kev

That I totally agree with. I tried to point that out in my opening post here, page 1.

ETA: after reviewing a preview of the movie… "The myth the US government created that took over the world".

See how they do that? Now every story anyone has is suspect.

Assholes.

Yes.

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

'We' now do their fighting for them.

Kev

"I just want to conquer people and their souls."
~ Mike Tyson
www.brainyquote.com...

a reply to: intrptr

The universe is composed of 99% plasma.
But everyone is falsely obsessed with the
1%.

When people see 'UFOs' they either see
an obfuscated (relatively mundane)
human craft, -and/or- an 'overlay'
which shows them what they want
to see.

I said nothing about spiritual stuff
or alien beings in the way you are
inferring.

a reply to: intrptr

It's not a bad mental exercise.
Definitely better than some.

K

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Still on the 'spirituality is just aliens acting as parasites through your nervous system' thing I see.

Good for you. Seems you're trying to generate your very own meme?!

Are YOU the next Doty?

Glad Karl12 put in the smackdown on page 1.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I said nothing about spiritual stuff
or alien beings in the way you are
inferring.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I was just sharing my take on it, not putting words in your mouth.