Bolivia Ready For War With U.S

Reply to Ketsuko:

I don't think the US would invade Venezuela, but what's being reported to the people who live there by President Maduro, is the US along with Canada and Blackwater supposedly were trying to overthrow the government in a foiled plot called the Blue Coup.

Maduro stated on nationwide television parts of the plan which involved US embassy personnel, and players from within the opposition. He also said that only one percent of the evidence was broadcasted and he planned to unveil the rest at the summit of the Americas in April.

Source

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro revealed new evidence on the coup plot against his administration Tuesday during his weekly televised show, revealing that much of it was planned in the United States.

Crisis in Venezuela follows US Special forces strategy

Venezuela officials declare Blackwater, US and Canadian links in thwarted coup

I don't know if any of this is true but, I guess time will tell

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Telos

Bolivia? Huh? I dunno about a war in South America. Of course alternative news sites will run crazy stories for Internet hits. Whatreallyhappened.com is frowned upon on ATS I believe.

Lets not ignore the primary source for all these linked sites looking for any kind of click bait they can get - Russia.
We already know that the Propaganda machine of the Kremlin is tasked with creating BS stories on numerous sites, these will then be picked up and repeated by conspiracy theorists desperate for doom porn.

a reply to: daaskapital

The North Vietnamese defeated the USA. The Taliban hasn't been defeated and still has influence in some areas of Afghanistan.

No, they did not defeat us. The devastation required to neutralize them ,certainly doable, would not be sustainable by the innocent NVC civilian population as well as the pressure at home from the American public, mostly the American youth.

There is a difference between being defeated, and walking away.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Why would we invade Venezuela?

I don't think US wants to invade Venezuela but a lot of countries who have natural resources, are paranoid when it comes to US. Especially knowing the love of US for oil. Lol !!! I remember few years back a long documentary done by (I hope I'm not wrong) James Cameron about Venezuela and other South American countries who are taking a stand against US politics in the region and its domination. So Morales claim might be related to that or maybe even to the new approval of sending us military troops to Peru

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: purplemer

So it't our fault that Venezuela turned its country into a socialist/Marxist/hellhole? I think they managed that all on their own.

originally posted by: thesmokingman
Well, for a country that has ZERO fighter jets, I wish them luck in their future endeavors. They are not a threat to the US in any form or fashion. That's cute though...www.globalfirepower.com...
Now go ahead and compare that to the US...www.globalfirepower.com...

The USA military does not exactly have great track records fighting in jungels........


There is more to war than raw fire power otherwise Vietnam would have been a roaring success and Iraq and Afganistan wars would have lasted only a few days.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Why would we invade Venezuela?

Like Iraq and vietnam

To protect America freedom duh


/joke

a reply to: buster2010

I'm confused because I'm not sure if you are for or against going to war with Venezuela.

It just would seem almost completely out of character for you to be FOR invading a country for oil-just from our few interactions on ats.

Maybe I'm just reading wrong.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Telos

Bolivia? Huh? I dunno about a war in South America. Of course alternative news sites will run crazy stories for Internet hits. Whatreallyhappened.com is frowned upon on ATS I believe.

Lets not ignore the primary source for all these linked sites looking for any kind of click bait they can get - Russia.
We already know that the Propaganda machine of the Kremlin is tasked with creating BS stories on numerous sites, these will then be picked up and repeated by conspiracy theorists desperate for doom porn.

Yup, even expats aren`t to be trusted...


What`s next, only news which is based is on American soil is to be trusted ?

War won't start with them, nor should it, but if it did, no, they are not ready.

originally posted by: charlyv
a reply to: daaskapital

The North Vietnamese defeated the USA. The Taliban hasn't been defeated and still has influence in some areas of Afghanistan.

No, they did not defeat us. The devastation required to neutralize them ,certainly doable, would not be sustainable by the innocent NVC civilian population as well as the pressure at home from the American public, mostly the American youth.

There is a difference between being defeated, and walking away.

I'm sorry, but last i checked, Saigon fell and the USA turned tail and ran. The North Vietnamese forces annexed South Vietnam and reunified it under Communist rule. That is a defeat for the USA, especially considering it was so heavily involved there against the Communist forces.

The USA doesn't have a very good track record at winning small wars against unconventional forces, and that is why i would expect them to have a tough time if they were to ever have a conflict with South America.

It all happened simultaneously. Saigon fell on an ongoing withdrawal.
There is no way to get a graceful exit from something like that.
Were you around during this time? Just curious.

a reply to: thesmokingman
Maybee they can hold back all the co#aine..sanctions/embargo if you will.

originally posted by: daaskapital

originally posted by: thesmokingman
Well, for a country that has ZERO fighter jets, I wish them luck in their future endeavors. They are not a threat to the US in any form or fashion. That's cute though...www.globalfirepower.com...
Now go ahead and compare that to the US...www.globalfirepower.com...

Heavy firepower isn't everything though...

It isn't good to have a short memory.

Does Vietnam ring a bell? How about Afghanistan?

The North Vietnamese defeated the USA. The Taliban hasn't been defeated and still has influence in some areas of Afghanistan.

If the USA were to show overt aggression in, and towards, South America, i would predict they would have a very tough time.

the NVA were destroyed. they did not defeat us. we left. then they defeated the south. Afghanistan we defeated them in time to be home for lunch. Iraq we defeated them in time to be home for morning cartoons. you seem to equate the need to eventually leave with defeat. if so; i guess when we leave korea; NK will have defeated us. When we leave Japan japan will have defeated us. and when we leave europe; italy and germany (and russia) will have defeated us. and when we leave johnson atol the what sea turtles? will have defeated us? Your victory conditions evidently include never leaving.

originally posted by: FalcoFan
a reply to: buster2010

I'm confused because I'm not sure if you are for or against going to war with Venezuela.

It just would seem almost completely out of character for you to be FOR invading a country for oil-just from our few interactions on ats.

Maybe I'm just reading wrong.

there are only two things that would cause us to go agro on venezuela.

1. the hezbola and other terrorist units that are already there go active and start attacking from there.

2. Iran or russia establishes missile bases there.

otherwise we keep venezuela and bolivia around for the comedic value and so that our leftist communist dictator loving entertainers have a place to go and make asses out of themselves on vacation.

originally posted by: thesmokingman
Well, for a country that has ZERO fighter jets, I wish them luck in their future endeavors. They are not a threat to the US in any form or fashion. That's cute though...www.globalfirepower.com...
Now go ahead and compare that to the US...www.globalfirepower.com...

Afghanistan had zero fighter jets. They proved to be a threat to Russia as that war economically bled Russia dry.

A Country does not have to be militarily mighty in order to be a threat.

originally posted by: daaskapital
I'm sorry, but last i checked, Saigon fell and the USA turned tail and ran.

Not at all what happened.

Number of North soldiers killed .. 1+ million.
Number of US killed ... 58k.

The US had it's hands tied and still destroyed the North. We did not leave because we lost, we left because of pressure created by the media and a populace unwilling to continue the war. South Vietnam did not fall until 2 years after the US left, not at all the image you portray of the South already haven fallen and the US scattered to the winds.

originally posted by: MrWendal

originally posted by: thesmokingman
Well, for a country that has ZERO fighter jets, I wish them luck in their future endeavors. They are not a threat to the US in any form or fashion. That's cute though...www.globalfirepower.com...
Now go ahead and compare that to the US...www.globalfirepower.com...

Afghanistan had zero fighter jets. They proved to be a threat to Russia as that war economically bled Russia dry.

A Country does not have to be militarily mighty in order to be a threat.

A country does need a backer. Somebody to suppy money, men and weapons. Afganistan was aided and armed by the US, Vietnam by the USSR and China. In the mid-east is it is Jihadists. And in all of those cases none of them could win a conventional battle. In the case of Bolivia where is the outside support going to come from?

The thing about the US is it always wants to try and fight by rules that limit the what the military can do so the US can rebuild whatever nation it is after. If the US wanted could wreck pretty much any country on earth with ease and then leave it to the chaos that follows. It is when the US wants nation build and win hearts and minds that it cuts the military off from most of it firepower. This is something unique to the US in history. Most of the time the winner of a war knocks everything down, leaves and demands tribute. The US has this opposite think when it comes to war, knock it down, rebuild it and then spend decades trying to fix even the problems it did not cause. If we did things the Russian way we would have half the Planet as US territory.

Our daughter is from Bolivia. We had to spend a month in the country dealing with paperwork and the corrupt bureaucracy in order to get her out of the country and adopted. I've seen how that place runs, and it's a mess. It's the poorest country in the Western hemisphere and nothing happens without some 'side action' (payoffs). Everything runs that way - from the government right down to buying groceries. The government changes completely every few years. I don't mean the elected people change out, I mean the entire government and the way things are done. And the country swings wildly from hating the US to liking it to hating it.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: daaskapital
I'm sorry, but last i checked, Saigon fell and the USA turned tail and ran.

Not at all what happened.

Number of North soldiers killed .. 1+ million.
Number of US killed ... 58k.

The US had it's hands tied and still destroyed the North. We did not leave because we lost, we left because of pressure created by the media and a populace unwilling to continue the war. South Vietnam did not fall until 2 years after the US left, not at all the image you portray of the South already haven fallen and the US scattered to the winds.

You forget the 300 thousand south vietnemese allies that died.


But being American I should have expectd you to ignore them and make it out you fought alone.


And if victory is measured in numbers killed hitler won WW2 against Russia