Chicago police commander resigns in wake of Homan Square revelations

Resignation of Nicholas Roti, a veteran police officer who operated over the controversial police warehouse, comes as attorneys announce civil rights lawsuit.

A senior Chicago police commander in charge of a major unit operating out of the controversial Homan Square police warehouse has resigned, the Guardian has confirmed.

The news came as attorneys for three Homan Square victims announced that they would file the first civil rights lawsuit over the facility with the aim of shutting down the complex likened by attorneys and activists to the domestic law enforcement equivalent of a CIA “black site.”

originally posted by: elementalgrove
Those who have historically enjoyed mocking the tin-foil conspiracy about the inevitability of this kind of police state do not like having Homan Square brought up in the least!!

It is funny how more and more of these theories become fact!

Strange world indeed!

originally posted by: machineintelligence
a reply to: elementalgrove

The truth is the enemy of the state in this day and age I am afraid. When the government is afraid of the truth it has reached its end in useful propose to the people.

originally posted by: elementalgrove
Fun fact about the etymology of the word government- Gubernare- to control and the term mens mind, I will go ahead and reference someone who has quickly become my favorite researcher Mark Passio

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Bedlam

Did you watch the video? He goes on to explain his research.

In Late Latin, this construction began to be extended to other adjectives and uses as well, and in Vulgar Latin and the later Romance languages, it became a general adverbial suffix.

Everyday I feel more and more like the a German in 1938 who was trying to warn people about the controllers plans!?

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Bedlam

Looking at wiktionary, it appears to validate his stance

mens as a noun- mind

Etymology

From Late Latin -amentum, from -mentum via Old French -ment.
Suffix

-ment

Used to form nouns from verbs, the nouns having the sense of "the action or result of what is denoted by the verb".

Usage notes

Generally attached to stem without changes, except when the stem ends in -dge, where the -e is sometimes dropped, as in abridgment, acknowledgment, judgment, and lodgment, with the forms without -e being preferred in American English. Of these, judgment is the most significant, and usage varies globally; see Judgment: Spelling for discussion.

originally posted by: elementalgrove

Back on point, Bedlam what is your take on the Homan Square scandal, I find it utterly disturbing and a good marker as to where the aggressive police state has gotten to in this country!

originally posted by: Maxmars

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Back when the Department of Homeland "Your papers, now!" Security was birthed, I was among the many who predicted a rather steep incline in fascism was inbound. I recall enduring the resulting poo-poo-fest, because of how important 'security' is. I was educated in how this was a 'federal' thing about "preparedness' and how it was and American iconic response "never again" kind of thing....

And then.... suddenly, and most fluidly, combat-grade military gear and methods were brought into the fold of 'police' institutions, en masse... media began to worship and entertain us with endless shows about "tactics." And citizens were increasingly pinched to "sacrifice" more and more for "security."

So, perhaps years ago, when the anecdotal evidence of the kinds of "takings" we used to only hear about in sometimes fascist regimes of old (like maybe Guatemala, Chile, El Salvador; Yemen, or Lebanon, etc.) were actually happening here; I started speculating that we probably have scores of merchant marine ships acting as the "nowhere" to which these people might be disappearing. Paint me foolish.

Things are so "secure" for the thugs in charge now, they can use any of the thousands of abandoned facilities around the neighborhood.... Local authorities won't even 'go there' because the gravy train of DHS programs is on the line....

Welcome to a new America. The saddest part is that there is now, no end to it in sight.

Tired as it may sound, security is a myth. We require an actual response from policy-makers who scoffed at us when we broached such subjects in the past. And I suggest most strongly that we leave faith out of the equation.

Not ideology, not populist tripe... I mean faith. The interests and influences that inform us need us to never believe we are safe. They provoke our faith in danger and calamity. They idolize confrontation. These kinds of practices, which legitimizes dissent are - in and of themselves - what we must be secure from. Think they'll offer up that option?

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Also if the laws regarding holding people as material witnesses permit this sort of thing, then it's obvious that police are abusing what might have been a handy tool, so it's time to take that away from them with a bit of timely legislation. Obviously what you can do to/with such a detainee needs to be better defined for them.