Afghan Mob Beats and Burns Woman

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

What militant view??? Decree that you are free to believe in whatever (privately) so long as you do not impose that belief on others. Think how many productive time and ideas the world would benefit from with us discussing more fruitful topics. Have you forgotten about the dark ages and its effect on humanity's progress.

a reply to: toktaylor

What would you propose?

Would the phrase "I believe in God" be punishable with jailtime? That's what would be necessary to stop people from "pushing it onto others".

What about wearing religious symbols on your person? Is religious jewelry forbidden? Hijabs restricted garments? By simply wearing these things, the person is declaring "I am of this religion", and someone could certainly view that declaration as an attempt to push their views on someone else!

What you propose is impossible without a militant, totalitarian crackdown on the religious. Then, you're no different from the zealots you purport to be better than.

It's their country, their laws.

Now they did arrest 7 men for killing/burning the woman who burned a Koran.

Would be interesting to see THAT trial. Will they see jail time?

Wonder what their defense would be.

In the end, however, we must remember that if it is within their laws to kill/maim/torture/burn people, then that is their right and they should have the freedom to do so.

Because, any question/interference on the part of the west would be imperialism.

We get lectured daily on how Iran should have nukes and we should mind our own business.

Perhaps we should mind our own business here.

For that matter, why are we even interested in ISIS?

It's not like they are in Europe or North America.

Let 'em be.

Ain't none of our business.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

The world has recognized the dangers of tobacco. How is being addressed? Through eduction first, then fines after. Think about how much lives is being saved by the campaign against tobacco. This is the approach we will need to take with religion, recognizing the ills firstly, then begin a campaign of education (especially children brainwashed against their will). Chipping away a little at a time. There is no need for militarizing or totalitarian of anything but certainly burying our heads in the sand will not work..."77 people killed in Yemen by suicide bombers today" are you really comfortable with those headlines. Must these thing be happening on your doorsteps before we recognize the danger and seek solutions?

a reply to: toktaylor

Do you really not understand that you simply cannot do what you propose without military crackdown? Religion isn't a simple vice that can be slowly phased out. (Nevermind I stand firmly against the idea of banning tobacco as well. What can I say? I enjoy this little experiment called personal freedom) Religion is a LIFE for people. It's their entire reason for BEING. You can't reverse with a commercials, social campaigns, witty slogans, and outreach. You can't reverse it by forbidding parents from bringing their children up in the same religion they hold dear. You can't fight it by any social means. At the end of the day, what you propose can only be accomplished, and ENFORCED through police, military, and the elimination of personal freedoms.

Sorry, that's how the world works. I used to be a militant atheist like you, really I was. Then I realized that fighting against religion made me no better than the people who would preach to me. I was just another fanatic, only my "religion" was the antithesis of it. I hope that someday you reach the same conclusion I did. Live and let live. Extremism will always exist in form or another. Without religion, something will always fill the gap of demented individuals who believe the way THEY think is the only RIGHT way, and will violently impose that will on other. Religion or no, so long as greed exists within the hearts of men, this will be a reality.

a reply to: skalla

meh boko haram is nothing new over there. Africans pastime is genocide.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

You may be correct, but surely we have to try. Surely we cannot continue like this. Any government who considers that organized religion has outlived its usefulness should at least be brainstorming how to fix this problem. We are no better than "religious people" if we think that this problem will be fixed by "faith" by ignoring or by tolerating. This is not a hate crime nor do I condone military action but for the sake of my children's children I hope someone (in high echelon) is brave enough to tackle this problem. (yes it is a major problem). It is unacceptable that we live with these problems today:
-School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
-Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they're right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
-Suicide bombers, who are certain they will be rewarded in heaven.
-Holy wars - followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
-Environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that God will magically fix everything.
-People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
-People dying - and letting their children die - because their religion forbids accepting medical help etc etc etc.

Ya but according to the UN Isreal is the top country that abuses womens rights!

a reply to: cavtrooper7

No we can't lie to infidels...

The Quran specifically says Allah will not guide the liars, whoever they are.



In dangerous situations we can conceal our faith, but not if we choose not to...
& if demanded an answer we need to be honest.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

PSHT!
I would say WE ALL would be SO much bettter off if we only spoke the truth.
I have no inner need to just go kill anyone, I'm supposed to forgive every one their tresspasses ..BLEW that one long ago.
What about the Taquiya deal?
Aren't you supposed to do in the advancement of your faith. I just TELL you and if you say no ..IT'S OK ,I forgive AND bless you in prayer.
It has ZIP to do with warfare and ZIP to do with my intent to dominate.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Wow. Somebody has a high horse.

Most of the atheists I know practice a nice strong morality. And most of us do nice things for the community as well. All without seeking recognition or renumeration. Sure, a great many churches do this as well....but a great many also protest at funerals of suicides, or soldiers, or whomever. It's not the same as the OP which comments upon a group of religious fundamentalists commiting an act of heinous violence upon someone over the "alleged" burning of a religious text.

As stated above, religion is a tool used by those in power to keep that power. It's a set of mythologies that have no basis in truth, only superstition.

a reply to: kelbtalfenek

Religion had a useful place in ancient society in that it fostered a sense of community and handed down rules of conduct and morality, as well as set punishments for not abiding by those rules. In some cases (Such as the ban on Pork) it also served a practical purpose (Pork in that time was dangerous due to it's tendency to harbor germs/bacteria and didn't cure as well as other meats) It was used to keep people together and gave them a sense of purpose. It still serves that same purpose (though to a lesser extent) in today's world.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

At the start of the Neolithic it was a fabulous control tool in it's organised form, administered by a specialist caste... enabled the enslaving folk to farming and a sedentary lifestyle, allowing greater numbers of folk to be ruled by one regime, and then conquor and dominate others.

Which quite neatly leads into the fact that organised, administered and exclusively interpreted religion is often just a tool or vehicle of politics and control.

Without privation, political instability and the greedy wresting for control, people of different beliefs usually manage to get along

a reply to: kelbtalfenek

Way to knock me off my horse, ha, I actually do know that there are many true humanist atheists and for them I have the greatest of respect even if my Belief's differ as I find there morality very pleasing and at time's maybe even better than my own (personal) morality but I truly do believe we have to have a moral structure and a belief in a greater purpose and for me that is my Christian faith (though let me be the first to tell you I am a very poor Christian and from the Christian perspective I fall over so often I should have a face like a board by now), nevertheless a belief and moral code also provides such structure for some Atheists.

May I ask are you open minded to the possibility of quantum consciousness and resonant continuity that may both explain some ghosts and also provide a physics based expression to suggest a soul or continuation of consciousness may actually be real (I already believe in such but am a little doolally tap as we say over here), this is one reason I tend to preferred an agnostic to an atheist point of view as I really can not argue with an agnostic as they simply neither believe nor disbelieve and I always wanted to see what would happen if a confirmed and very intelligent Agnostic opened the door to certain callers, preferably with a stop watch and a camp bed to wait it out.

Anyway back on thread I do believe that, if Christianity is removed by an education system that is now taken over by Atheist secular agenda driven groups (who misguidedly believe they are correct) then the result will and actually already is an influx of radical conversion to the more aggressive and less correct religion of ISLAM and this is because though some have a psychology in which they do not need spirituality others - the bulk of the human population have it hard wired into there mind's, you can educationally indoctrinate the child into an atheist view but this deep psychological need will remain and it will be filled often with much more dangerous and LESS HUMAN belief's or else they will find other release such as illicit drug's along with all the social harm this does to the group as a whole and all because an opinion and belief of a minority that has gained credence in power.

Have a look at the US matrix of liberty and the Monument of the forefather's, the US was meant to be secular but a Christian Secularity and modern changes over there have derailed this causing immense damage to that great nation.

a reply to: grandmakdw

I can be sarcastic myself and often fail to live up to my faith but I know there are many good people deluded by that religion and it is undeniably evil but more evil is our greedy corporation driven fat cat western government's who have sold out there own nation's to drive an internationalist agenda that has only served to spread this filthy religion into our heartlands and corrupt our children.

Recently in the UK we have and are having a vast string of investigations into Paedophile ring's that have abused young white (I am not a Racist but I am definitely a culturist and religionist if those words exist) British girls, these ring's are Asian with some more recent African and middles eastern members all of whom are Muslim, there are other paedophile ring's of course that are native but the sheer number of young girls molested by these people has shocked out nation.

Look at the effect the Islamic immigration of only 20 years has had on Sweden, a native Swedish woman now has a 1 in 4 chance of being raped and very nearly all the rapists are of the immigrant community.

It is a problem, we are not allowed to defend ourselves so they believe Allah has made our daughter lie on there back's for them to rape like Muhammad said the Persian woman would for the arab's when he gave a speech to them.

By the time our nations finally wake up to the betrayal caused by the economically driven secularist agenda they will no longer exist and our people's will be divided just as they intend, DIVIDE and CONQUER.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

She's a woman in the same country where Malala was shot in the head for wanting to be educated. We see how much Afghanistan is likely to value a woman, especially one who is mentally ill.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Yeah, but Charlie, we've seen in the past that your interpretation of Islam and that of the Middle East often differs dramatically. So, given the lack of value placed on women in general and the perceived insult to the faith, they will likely rule that this was justified. Now, her relatives may feel otherwise and that could cause problems.

But we are talking about the interpretations where naming a class Teddy Bear Mohammad can be perceived as an insult to the faith worthy of jail and possible death.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Nonsense, illiterate people denied the word of the bible and controlled by a corruption of Christianity in place as a control method burned woman at the stake, this lasted well into the point when the bible had finally been written in there languages as even with it they could not understand the new testament and judged by the old as well as superstition that had nothing to do with Christianity, Thomas de Torquemada is unlikely to be a saint let my just say that and as for Matthew Hopkins and other SO called witch finders throughout Europe and America, well they were simply perverted rapists, She has the mark of the devil on her privates etc, this was nothing to do with the bible and everything to do with men oppressing woman and getting away with serial murder.

Let's have a look at what Christ said, In the resurrection there is no difference between a man and a woman

Explained, we are equal and though different in this life in the life to come our spirit is equal, try that with Islam or one of these illiterate anti Christian witch finders, or for that matter a borga pope.

IF you have two coat's and your brother has non give him the one you are not using, Sell all you have, give to the poor and come follow me, store up your treasure in heaven where it can not be stolen or rot away (good work's), the greatest shall be least and the least greatest (he washed the feet of his apostles to there shame as he was there leader and this was something the servant does)

Explained, forget Marx, Lenin and the other so called Socialists, CHRIST is the true father of Socialism so Christ who threw the money changers out of the temple will have no time for leaders like the Tory's of Britain or there American counterpart's.

You can serve only one master or else you will despise the one and hate the other.

He is the king so the anti Christian perversion of the bible that has traditionally been interpreted as Rule by Divine right is actually an anti Christian ideology that has nothing to do with Christian faith and belief, in other word's the serial killer henry the eight and all his successors are not appointed by God, neither is any king that is not CHRIST, in Christ's kingdom who is king.

SO Humanist, Socialist, Freedom, Truth, Peace, Love and Respect for other's, forgiveness, do not Judge other's or they way they live and treat them as you would be treated yourself.

Why do you hate Christianity when you do not even understand it but only perceive the work's of non Christians as Christianity.

I am a poor Christian but I know that is the way I am supposed to live in accord with his will.

originally posted by: imod02
"God is not in a book, God is not in a building, God is in the heart of humans. If you wish to see a persons God look at what they do."
I cant remember the person who said this to me but I have found it over the years to be right

Perfectly said, "It is now what goes into a man that corrupts him but what come's our from him", "You shall know a tree by it's fruit", these are word's from Christ himself.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I don't know what you want me to say, you either have to rewrite your OP to make it NOT sound like Christians are so great and get bashed over the head for nothing and to say Islam is NOT backward and sucks and instead say that ALL societies hide behind their given religious banners to commit atrocities.
or leave it.

*Shrugs, I can't change your thread my old friend, not can I change my interpretation of your wording. I still adore you regardless.

How about this:

You seem to perceive Islamic extremism as burning women alive and Christian extremism as not baking cakes. I fail to see how the two incidents are in any way comparable. But in your head there is no difference.

It's like saying that shop lifting a piece of candy is just as bad as murder.