Putin's New "Protocols"

a reply to: noeltrotsky

And thank you too again !...I`m guessing "FortRuss" gives way too much damaging information seeing how it`s in the cross-hairs now...

a reply to: DJW001

Well done for all the leg-work here, I've been pointing the obvious hypocrisy out since the invasion of Ukraine started, with the massive rise in pro-Russian propaganda flooding the comments sections of various sites and through various forums too. It's absolutely clear to all that these propagandists want to have their cake and eat it too, on the one hand claiming everyone in Kyiv is a Nazi, while also making antisemitic statements too.

It really is quite bizarre, but now we see the EU making plans to combat the propaganda efforts of the Russian government and coming up with ways to negate it in the Baltic states we can see that we're not the only ones noticing it, governments and media are taking is more seriously too.

Here's a little tip for the more astute out there, when you see a pro-Russian posting pics of supposed "Nazis", run them through Google image search and check all the results, chances are you'll find the original image before the Kremlin doctored it.

originally posted by: Rocker2013
Here's a little tip for the more astute out there, when you see a pro-Russian posting pics of supposed "Nazis", run them through Google image search and check all the results, chances are you'll find the original image before the Kremlin doctored it.

Can you give us a sample? Not a challenge...just a query.

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: noeltrotsky

And thank you too again !...I`m guessing "FortRuss" gives way too much damaging information seeing how it`s in the cross-hairs now...

Just for you, I'm going to add FortRuss to my Putin Neo-Nazi network thread. Did you know that they link to Alexander "There Should Be A Genocide Directed At Ukrainians" Dugin? Stay tuned. [/off-topic]

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: noeltrotsky

And thank you too again !...I`m guessing "FortRuss" gives way too much damaging information seeing how it`s in the cross-hairs now...

Just for you, I'm going to add FortRuss to my Putin Neo-Nazi network thread. Did you know that they link to Alexander "There Should Be A Genocide Directed At Ukrainians" Dugin? Stay tuned. [/off-topic]

...and how is that any different as to an ex-American General calling for the Killing of Russians ?

You do know he has no connection to Putin, or are you going to make up a connection again ?

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

It's not about Putin; it's about you. Wake up!

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

...and how is that any different as to an ex-American General calling for the Killing of Russians ?

Well for one he was giving his opinion, and he is not a general he is an ex general who doesn't speak for the whole of the US.

You really should learn the difference,

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

It's not about Putin; it's about you. Wake up!

WOW, time for a break ?

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

The reason you should probably not use FortRuss as a source if you want anyone to take you seriously is explained here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just a reminder: the whole point to infiltrating the blogosphere is so that lies can be circulated in a way that allows them to gain currency. Eventually, these rumors take on the air of fact and lazy journalists will report them as such. Once they have appeared in a mainstream journalistic piece, they can be used as a reference in a wikipedia article, allowing the propagandists who started the false rumor to legitimize it on what has become a standard reference.

For example, if enough bloggers spread the rumor that Ihor Kolomysky is funding Azov Battalion rather than, or in addition to, Aidar Brigade, he might pass it along as fact. This is exactly what happened here. Wikipedia:

In April 2014 Kolomoyskyi offered a bounty for the capture of Russian-backed militants and incentives for the turning in of weapons.[32] He also is believed to have spent $10 million to create the Dnipro Battalion,[31][33] and also funds the Aidar, Azov, Dnepr 1, Dnepr 2, and Donbas volunteer battalions.[34] Members of the Aidar Battalion “have been involved in widespread abuses, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, and possible executions,” according to Amnesty International, while the Azov Battalion was seen flying flags carrying symbols of a Ukraine neo-Nazi party, Patriot of Ukraine.[35]

Note there is only one source for the claim that he funds Azov Battalion. Here it is:

34.^ Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes

en.wikipedia.org...

Here is that single source:

Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes
BY DAMIEN SHARKOV 9/10/14 AT 12:36 PM

Groups of right-wing Ukrainian nationalists are committing war crimes in the rebel-held territories of Eastern Ukraine, according to a report from Amnesty International, as evidence emerged in local media of the volunteer militias beheading their victims.

[Edit for brevity --DJW001]

The Aidar battalion is publicly backed by Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi, who also funds the Azov, Donbas, Dnepr 1, Dnepr 2 volunteer battalions, operating under orders from Kiev. Last spring Kolomoyskyi offered a bounty of $10,000 of his own money for each captured Russian “saboteur”.

www.newsweek.com...

There is no additional source cited, nor is there a link to the Amnesty International report. A search of Amnesty International's website details potential war crimes by both sides in the conflict, but it does not mention which oligarchs are funding which units.

What does wikipedia have to say about the Azov Battalion?

It is one of several volunteer battalions funded in part by Ukraine oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi.[8]

The source for this statement?

8.^Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes

en.wikipedia.org...

Surprise.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

The reason you should probably not use FortRuss as a source if you want anyone to take you seriously is explained here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's unfortunate that more don't read your posts. Fortunately they will remain at ATS for a long time if someone has the desire to find them.

Kudos to you Sir!

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: DJW001
This thread is dedicated to debating a claim made by pro-Putin propagandists: that the government in Kyiv is run by Nazis, and these Nazis are backed by Jews.

For the record: I'm not blaming the OP here, because the above claim has been fully made by some, so the blending of theories doesn't fall on the OP's shoulders... That said, this is a great example of how difficult it is to make a logical argument when illogical, even ridiculous "riders" are attached to otherwise demonstrable theories and evidenced probabilities.

The portion of the quote I bolded is really a slap in the face to the majority of people who have made the argument that Svoboda and their 7 members of the Ukraine's 21 member upper cabinet are, in fact, Neo Nazis. It is almost like that famous "when did you stop beating your wife" question in that it presents one hell of a trap no matter how you answer it.

Yes, I believe the evidence demonstrates that one of the primary forces behind western Ukraine's fighting against eastern Ukraine was the significant presence of national socialists born out of western Ukraine's historic siding with Nazi Germany in WWII.
Yes, I believe that having 1/3rd of their national cabinet being members of the two predominant neo-nazi parties in the Ukraine means their current government has a strong Nazi presence.
Yes, I believe that these same groups are in cahoots with the West, not because the US or EU embrace the same values, but because "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and the west is desperately trying to win a propaganda war with Putin... a war which the US and EU will stoop to any depth to win.
NO, I do NOT believe this "Protocols of Zion" horsecrap.
NO, I do NOT believe the Jews are behind all of this.

The OP premise is too damn restrictive. It marginalizes the majority of Svoboda haters by attempting to also lump them in with anti-Semites. And how in the blue living hell does that even work!?!?! Yes, Neo-Nazis are a tool of THE JEW.... :rolleyes: All of the Jewish folks in Europe got together and had a meeting where they stated "Hey, here's an idea... let's install a group dedicated to killing us into power in the Ukraine! That'll show that sonuvabitch Putin, even though Putin hasn't ever said two words against us!" What's next, the Rainbow Push coalition backing David Duke's next run for US President?

Thank you.

2nd

originally posted by: PrettyPlease1
a reply to: DJW001

If protocols of Zion are fake ?

How come everything in them
Is coming true ?

How come owners of western private central bank like FED happen to be Jews ?

Well they are a fake you fell for propaganda that ripped off a play. As for a banker being a jew citing this as evidence just shows how silly your argument is. It really amazes me how close Putin is becoming to Hitler. He fermented hatred of jews ad well claiming they were going to destroy the world And needed to be irradicated. And here we go again the same things coming out of Russia. It's so bad Putin is doing the exact same things hitler did declaring he's defending the rights of Russian's and invading neighbors.

I used to think we could just wait this out but now I'm rethinking this. And i now understand the spot chamberlain was in much better. It's so scary in similarities that even the false flag Hitler used Putin had to have one with the apartment bombings. You can almost tick down point by point at this point.

You can check my proofs and what im writing about here: Truth about Ukraine You will see that it has nothing to do with antisemitism and Kremlin propaganda...


@ DJW001

Posts of your sidekicks (noeltrotsky, ScientificRailgun) arent even worth commenting... But i actually liked somewhat surreal post by noeltrotsky saying that owning private nazi army is something normal for rich peoples in this part of the world... Like owning a yacht. No. It isnt. Belive me, im living here...
You are the one that is spreading lies and misinformation. You dont even know who was in SS Galizien and what they were doing. You are trying to say that they were fighting with Stalin and communism?? Thats ridiculous. They were utterly beaten in first battle... Then reformed and used to suppress civilians. Killing of innocent peoples in countries occupied by Germans... And they are famous for their warcrimes.
I dont understand why you are writing about "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and what they have in common with neo-nazis and ultra nationalists in Ukraine... I was writing that Jews are funding nazis. And its a fact. Kolomoyski and Poroshenko ARE Jews. And THEY are completly without morals. I dont understand how you connected this statement with antisemitism and Jews as whole nation.
You are (or some of your sidekicks) saying that using nazi symbolism (svasticas and many other symbols including Bandera or UPA) is nothing bad because they are "powerful symbols that are easily understandable". Maybe you dont know but using such symbols is CRIMINAL OFFENCE in majority of European countries and you can actually go to jail for that offence. You know why? Because nazism, racism and other "values" that stand behind this symbols are unaceptable things...
You are saying that i used Kolomoyski picture in a tshirt of organization he created... Of course you dont know enything about what that symbol means? Even peoples in Israel are against him by the way. And that symbol, logo is "Zydobandera" "Jew-Bandera" let me show you who Bandera was, and what he and his followers did: Stephan Bandera A well known war criminal. And this is one of his many crimes Volhynian slaughter So, if you think that this is normal, you should go to psychiatrist...

I must add that its really wierd that you twist my words and do anything to steer toppic away from my questions. About ODESSA MASSACRE, about SNIPERS FROM MAIDAN and involvment of USA government in all this. You are constantly accusing me of being antisemitic when its clearly visible that im not...

a reply to: voiceofthecielago

Thank you for finally replying to my post. Now all you have to do is provide a source for your ridiculous claim that Ihor Kolomysky is funding the Azov Battalion. That is the whole crux of your Anti-Semitic tirade. Once you have done that, we can discuss the rest of your distortions.

a reply to: voiceofthecielago

The only reason you can read about it in wikipedia is because I have not yet had it removed for failing to meet the wiki's criteria for reliable sources. If you cannot provide a source that does not link back to the one unsourced Newsweek article by Damian Sharkov, it will be removed.

Now, please stop spewing hate and provide a link to a reliable source that proves your claim that Kolomysky funds the Azov Battalion.

Edit to add: Kolomysky does fund the Aidar Battalion, but it does not use Nazi symbolism, does it? We will deal with the complexities of Bandera once you admit that there is no proof that Jews are funding neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

a reply to: voiceofthecielago

Ляшко і Коломойський ніколи не допомагали батальйону «Азов», - командир

Народний депутат Олег Ляшко ніколи не допомагав батальйону, а тепер вже полку "Азов". Про це, відповідаючи на запитання користувачів під час онлайн-конференнції на сайті ТСН.ua , повідомив командир полку Андрій Білецький. "Депутат Ляшко, Коломойський, Ахметов, ЦРУ і "Моссад" ніколи не допомагали батальйону "Азов". Це ті персонажі, які до батальйону - як мінімум матеріальною допомогою - не причетні", - зазначив Білецький. Також командир заперечив причетність Ляшка до створення батальйону.

Lyashko and Kolomoysky never helped Battalion "Azov" - Commander

MP Oleg Lyashko never helped battalion, regiment and now "Azov". This, answering users' questions during online konferenntsiyi Online TSN.ua , said the regimental commander Andrey Beletsky. "MP Lyashko, Kolomoysky Akhmetov, the CIA and" Mossad "never helped battalion" Azov ". These are characters who battalion - a minimum of material assistance - not involved, "- said Beletsky. Also commander denied involvement in the creation Lyashko battalion.

www.pohlyad.com... [Trans. Google -DJW001]

Any questions?

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
I didn't know unsourced blogspot posts counted as valid sources these days.

I don't take much clout in anything posted on ATS (and the internet at as a whole) when it comes to propaganda one way or another. Not even in printed media. With that being said, from what I glanced over at the blogspot blog I found two links that went to seemingly official Ukranian / Russian news links. Is that not a source? (Not being an ass, I'm just curious or if the sources cited were known propaganda sites.)

Either way, no one is innocent. The U.S., Europe, Russia... We're all asses. The only difference is Russia is relatively open about it.