I hate UK politics & politicians...

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Shouldn't have handed over your arms!

Like they say, hind sight is 20/20

Arms? or just handguns?

There are 2 million legally owned guns in the UK. That's means there is quite a few with a firearms arms or shotgun license.

But that wouldn't change anything anyway. The US government is far less social than the UK. When it comes to screwing over the poor or vulnerable in society and arguably the middleclass, the US is on another level. But I don't see any armed militia in the US rising up.

originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: grainofsand


Read the following in my paper yesterday>>>>

A benefits claimant who has not worked for 25years was told to do
more to find employment or his benefits would be cut. At the interview at
the job centre he was aggressive and argumentative when told his
benefits could be cut if he didn't do more to seek work.
He stormed from the centre shouting and swearing that the centre should
be torched, and returned 45mins later running amok with a hammer with
which he smashed two windows. When the police arrived he pulled an
eight inch knife which he waved about before holding it to his wrist in
a 90 minute stand off with the police.

He like many others is quite happy getting by on his benefits,
supplemented by housing and council tax benefits, he has no aspirations
and NO INTENTION TO EVER WORK if he can get away with it!

It's estimated that tax evasion costs the UK 70 billion pounds a year. Good honest people that are sick or disabled are getting their "help" taken away because idiots are influenced by stories like the one above. That guy is clearly mentally unstable, that should be the main point. That guy is irrelevant. What is relevant is the billionaire tax dodgers, the big banks, the big corporations all not paying taxes. That's what effects the country the most. Not mentally unstable poor people.

originally posted by: Debunkology



It's estimated that tax evasion costs the UK 70 billion pounds a year. Good honest people that are sick or disabled are getting their "help" taken away because idiots are influenced by stories like the one above. That guy is clearly mentally unstable, that should be the main point. That guy is irrelevant. What is relevant is the billionaire tax dodgers, the big banks, the big corporations all not paying taxes. That's what effects the country the most. Not mentally unstable poor people.

Yea that's right stick a label on him *mentally unstable* if that were

true he would be able to increase his benefits and carry on never

having to work. Much easier doing that than him having any self discipline

and work ethics, which in turn would improve his own self esteem....

Trouble is he has never worked and will therefor have no experience

what so ever - but will he be prepared to start at the bottom, and work

himself up

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one....

a reply to: eletheia

So how does highlighting the actions of a person who represents a tiny minority of benefit claimants, help to support your argument?

a reply to: TrueBrit


That was just one case that I read about only yesterday, and

mentioned it when replying to a members post however there are

several highlighted in the media and TV programmes on an almost

daily basis.

That said I see it personally around where I live, including distant

relatives,I know of a few who have been found out too.

So you see its not just one fiddler .... its one fiddler too many.

That's not to say that I am in any way in agreement with what's

been going on with the banks, big business or politicians.

a reply to: eletheia

Well let's reduce all this to a numbers game shall we? That figure of 70 billion pounds of evaded tax for example... Let's add to that figure, the tens of billions of pounds by which the government is overcharged by those same tax dodging companies, for goods and services rendered to it. After all, some of the biggest tax cheats are the owners of the buildings out of which the HMRC operates. A source I cannot name who works for HMRC reported to me years ago that thanks to some very poorly written contracts, our government is forced to purchase all goods and services pertaining to the function of the department, from one company (the name of which has since changed, but is pretty much the same company none the less). That company over charges the taxpayer by hundreds of percent, and then fails to pay the proper tax on that inflated revenue, because it banks off shore.

That is ONE department, and ONE supplier. This sort of thing is rife, and every government department, not least the NHS is beset by this manner of entirely profit driven, industrial scale, sociopathic thievery. No one acts against it, no one fights for the rights of the taxpayer against these amorphous companies and their shareholders, and yet a friend of mine, who is approaching her seventies and has severe lumbar region problems , cannot stand upright at all, and who is house bound by reason of being necessarily impaired by the pain she is constantly in, is constantly having to justify her position to the benefits people, who stop her benefits every so often.

How can we take that double standard seriously, and how can we justify taking money from the poorest, and least able to defend themselves, BEFORE dealing with the truly shocking thievery at the heart of governmental process? Total government spending on goods and services over the 2012-2013 period was something like £669.something billion. Two hundred percent of that cost, or close to it, is very likely fraudulent. Would you like to tell me again, how it is that we are expected to swallow cuts and crack downs on citizens, when the government refuses to deal with corporate thievery of this magnitude?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: eletheia

Well let's reduce all this to a numbers game shall we? That figure of 70 billion pounds of evaded tax for example... Let's add to that figure, the tens of billions of pounds by which the government is overcharged by those same tax dodging companies, for goods and services rendered to it. After all, some of the biggest tax cheats are the owners of the buildings out of which the HMRC operates. A source I cannot name who works for HMRC reported to me years ago that thanks to some very poorly written contracts, our government is forced to purchase all goods and services pertaining to the function of the department, from one company (the name of which has since changed, but is pretty much the same company none the less). That company over charges the taxpayer by hundreds of percent, and then fails to pay the proper tax on that inflated revenue, because it banks off shore.

That is ONE department, and ONE supplier. This sort of thing is rife, and every government department, not least the NHS is beset by this manner of entirely profit driven, industrial scale, sociopathic thievery. No one acts against it, no one fights for the rights of the taxpayer against these amorphous companies and their shareholders, and yet a friend of mine, who is approaching her seventies and has severe lumbar region problems , cannot stand upright at all, and who is house bound by reason of being necessarily impaired by the pain she is constantly in, is constantly having to justify her position to the benefits people, who stop her benefits every so often.

How can we take that double standard seriously, and how can we justify taking money from the poorest, and least able to defend themselves, BEFORE dealing with the truly shocking thievery at the heart of governmental process? Total government spending on goods and services over the 2012-2013 period was something like £669.something billion. Two hundred percent of that cost, or close to it, is very likely fraudulent. Would you like to tell me again, how it is that we are expected to swallow cuts and crack downs on citizens, when the government refuses to deal with corporate thievery of this magnitude?

SO why don't you stand as an MP? The *average Joe* is looking for some one

who is every day and down to earth to represent them in Parliament,

instead of those Eton toffs !!?

a reply to: eletheia

Well, in answer to your query, I can say only these two things.

First of all, I do not agree that MPs or leaders, or a political establishment are necessary to the function of a society based on democratic principles. People should vote on the issues, not for personalities. Our nations people should be expected to both work their daily grind, and retain enough spare mental capacity to also comment on, and vote on the issues which are important to them. The technology exists. I mean Christ, if they can make it work for the bloody X factor, then I am sure they can make it work for something that actually matters a God damn! I could not take a position as an MP, because I am fundamentally opposed to the existence of such a position, because I believe it centralises power, when what ought to be happening is the distribution of power amongst the people.

Also, I am mad. I do not mean by so saying, that I am angry. I mean that I am utterly doolally, twisted, bonkers, broken in the head. Now, that does not mean that my opinion counts for anything less than someone else's might, but it does mean that I should not be placed in control of anything more vital to the operation of our nation, than say...a small collection of navel fluff and pocket lint from various sources, assembled over the years by the janitorial staff of Westminster Palace. I have no idea if such a collection exists or not, it was however the first thing that came to mind as an example, and oddly rather shows my working, in thinking that I am not exactly ideally suited to public office.

Not many people care. That is the trouble with Britain. A country has it's self to blame for it's own politics. And British people simply ignore or are too easily influenced by mainstream media. If I go down the pub for a drink with the lads, all I hear is regurgitation of stories by the Sun or Daily Mail if ever politics come up."The trouble with this country is benefit cheats", "The trouble with this country is too many immigrants". "blah this story I've just read in the newspaper blah blah" Indepedent MPs in this country have no chance.

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Shouldn't have handed over your arms!

Like they say, hind sight is 20/20

Are you THAT insecure you have to brings guns into everything?

I have no issue with your 2nd. Thats what you guys want.

But lets be honest here, you want guns because you like guns not because of some noble idea of counter tyranny.
Nothing wrong with that.

As for revolution ?

Come on this aint 1776 anymore!


A man with a gun verse The US government MIC ?

Sorry most Americans would not even get to fire a gun before a drone rains hell down on them.

Thats not to say you will lose.

Most damage will be done by IEDs and booby traps,

Your resent wars will attest for that as most causality's have been due to them rather than gunshot wounds.

Plus at the end of the day if a people rise up, even in the most harsh of tyranny's guns always seem to find there way in, along with heavy weapons that can shot fancy equipment down Assad and Gaddafi found that out.so did the British when the french supplied your sorry arses in the revolution with cannon and new muskets. War profiteers and foreign country's governments will always intervene.

If the UK decided to rise up today im sure china and Russia would have us all armed by tomorrow

That's an interesting point. I can imagine Russia or China flying over and dropping off some arms to any rebel groups if the UK ever got that bad that there would be a violent revolution. I haven't thought about that before.

But yes. This isn't 1776 anyway. The US has drones now. The amount of arms the US government has is absolutely ridiculous.The price the Americans are paying now for owning so many guns and assault weapons is that they have heavily militarized police (and increasing). Which is deeply disturbing. The police in some departments have better weapons than some armies! How that is not sending alarm bells to the average American I just don't know.

No doubt we and the Americans live in some type of police state. Which is natural when countries prepare for being in wars for a long period. The war in the middle east will continue until all middle-eastern counties around the old silk road will have anglo-American oil conglomerate puppets. But this will continue for years since China and Russia are involved and the politics in the middle-east is so complicated. We'll just have our rights and privacy to pay for it.

UK politics is all sewn up. The alternative to the LIB-LAB-CON is UKIP; old fashioned Conservatives. Or the Green Party (possibly orwelian 1984 through the backdoor).

But what about the USA? Republicans or Democrats. There is no choice!. A two party system. At least the UK actually has alternative parties and a growing interest in them.

a reply to: Debunkology

Well I remember a few years back they found 200 AK47s dumped in a local river.

It turned out local mafia type group brought them in and couldnt sell them so dumped them.


It seems guns are pretty easy to smuggle in. There just is not a markrt fir them.


If the Uk got to the point of revolution Im guessing a market would appear and the local crime groups would smuggle guns in and rake in the profits.

Which brings me to another point.

In the USA the legal guns are likekly to be taken. Or the owners tracked.

If someone is stupid enough to have 200 AR-15 and enough ammo to start a small war stockpiled they will likely "disapear" or get a visit from mr drone at the very start of a open rebellion.

Its the illegal guns that will be the ones used in a revolution.