"What are Atheists gonna do when Jesus Christ is proved to be Real by World Events?

a reply to: Akragon

What are Atheists gonna do when Jesus Christ is proved to be Real by World Events?

They will simply lose the debate like they lose the debate on ATS

But I don't want to see them burn in Christian hell, not that I'm a Christian and all...

I just think it's uncool, cause I love them too just like the Christians.

"What are Atheists gonna do when Jesus Christ is proved to be Real by World Events?

I suppose it depends on the atheist. If atheism is proven wrong I"m sure some would be in denial and not accept it, while others would look at the facts in front of them and accept whatever the truth is. The atheists I know are cold hard facts-orientated type people. I'm sure each person would react differently, according to their personality.

a reply to: Klassified

Anyone who has read the book of Revelations(and I know you have), knows the Jesus of Revelations is anything but benevolent. He is a tyrant, and will destroy billions who refuse to accept his Monarchy/Dictatorship.

What would I do? Die along with the rest of those who refuse to worship a conquering tyrant, I suppose.

I could not have said it better myself. I'll probably be one of the first to be vaporized by one of his lightning bolts, or whatever weapon he'll be wielding.

dex

originally posted by: agenda51
people live in alternate realities all the time. The message of christianity is a positive one. I think if you feel the need to commit to a religion then christianity is a pretty good path.

The majority of atheists I meet are just lazy and don't want to commit to anything and be free to take part in immoral behavior without guilt or conscience. there are a few who have actually read and studied the bible but its rare. Its hard work being a dedicated christian and more and more are simply not up to the task.

and no I don't consider myself a christian so I am not preaching here. They do a lot of good in this world though. Their charity efforts are epic IMO.

Eh, epic fail par usual.

First, it is a classic logical fallacy of evangelicals to claim "People don't become Christians because they just want to disobey God and sin!" Um, lol. People aren't Christians because they do not believe that it is true.

Second, in my personal experience some of the worst personal "immoral behavior" I have seen is by "Christians." The one girl who cheated on me, out of all my dating, was the most evangelical one I dated and most devout. Recently a devout "Christian" friend acted extremely douchey to me and didn't care at all when I expressed offense.

Third, yes, you are a Christian. Please do not lie. No non-Christian says things like "I am not a Christian but non-believers just want to SIN!!" OMG. This is like another post I saw once where some dude said "I am not a Christian but I do not see any reason why Jesus isn't the son of God and our savior.!"

Fourth, many of us whom are agnostic, atheist, or of simply other spiritual paths do not believe in Christianity precisely because WE HAVE read the Bible. However, many of us have actually studied the objective history of Christianity, and found it to be improbable in its claims or that real history doesn't support Christianity. Also, we are more likely to have read and studied other religions, science, philosophy, etc.

a reply to: Eunuchorn

You should think of religion like online forums. There are many ideas, opinions and such other stuff that people are always going to interpret however they want or whatever they want and someone else to do it for them.


Akra and I very rarely ever agree on anything religious, but Akra is entitled to his opinion and me to mine. But you can't say there isn't some truth to what we say. The point is that no Christian ever should say they have all the truth because the whole truth can never be known in this life.

There may be some truth to what you say, but you concede that you won't know it all until later anyway. That's what I say, I only know a little truth, but what I do know, I have an obligation to live up to it. That's the truth of Christianity, we do not know all the truth, we are obligated to what we do know.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I'm a Christian but I would not cheat nor would I treat you badly.

Maybe you should have just checked them and let them know the errors of their ways. And why were you dating a Christian girl in the first place?

originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I'm a Christian but I would not cheat nor would I treat you badly.

Maybe you should have just checked them and let them know the errors of their ways. And why were you dating a Christian girl in the first place?

I did and they showed an utter lack of comprehension and personal responsibility. To this day the girl claims I was untrustworthy, even though she told myself and family members she cheated. The other dude similarly never took responsibility.

Yes, not all Christians are like this, just like atheists. However, my point there is absolutely zero correlation with being a Christian and sinning less or being more moral than other people. So the argument by the op that "atheists just want to sin and be immoral, that's why they aren't Christian" fails utterly on those grounds.

As to why dating, are you suggesting that I should be biased against all women who are Christian, or vice versa?

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I'm a Christian but I would not cheat nor would I treat you badly.

Maybe you should have just checked them and let them know the errors of their ways. And why were you dating a Christian girl in the first place?

I did and they showed an utter lack of comprehension and personal responsibility. To this day the girl claims I was untrustworthy, even though she told myself and family members she cheated. The other dude similarly never took responsibility.

Yes, not all Christians are like this, just like atheists. However, my point there is absolutely zero correlation with being a Christian and sinning less or being more moral than other people. So the argument by the op that "atheists just want to sin and be immoral, that's why they aren't Christian" fails utterly on those grounds.

As to why dating, are you suggesting that I should be biased against all women who are Christian, or vice versa?

You know that relationships that have little in common usually end up pretty broken.

That's why people should have common interests and understandings.

a reply to: AinElohim

They will simply lose the debate like they lose the debate on ATS

I have yet to see you 'win' any 'debate'. You rarely ever make a cogent argument. You constantly claim you're winning and you destroy atheists in debates. I can only assume your strategy is to repeat this lie in the hopes repetition will convince yourself and some others it's true.

not that I'm a Christian and all...

Also we know of your previous account. It's obvious you're a Christian.

Your quote from your prior account Cosmic.Artifact:

"there is one way to know who is God one must understand Jesus of the holy bible"

1. Belief in the religious god of the Bible 2. Belief that understanding the Bible is to understand god. 3. Belief in Christ.

You're constantly saying how you devastate atheists with your superiority and how you're not Christian. You're full of crap on both fronts. We truly are not that dense.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: VERETHRAGHNA

The atheist marches - shouts - destroys - kills - vitiates the young - brutalizes the woman, maternity is denied - and virility is thrown away -

So as a result of Jesus/god being proven you're saying atheists will pervert children, beat women, deny women sex and babies, all the while going on some homicidal rampage?

No. Atheism triumph came with a libertine and licentious attitude and behavior, as result of a displacement of moral values which Jesus taught and inspired implicit and explicitly. 'vitiates the young' = the youth (drugs exorbitant abuse, pornography super-massive cancer, i.e. vices/addictions); 'brutalizes the woman' (embrutece a la mujer) = lit. 'stupidizes the woman' -I will correct this words- (you know of what the song "Stupid Girls" by Pink is talking about www.metrolyrics.com...); 'maternity is denied' = intrauterine assassination of babies, euphemistically called 'abortion'.
These segments speaks about atheist/atheism destiny:
"(...) YOU WILL CRY, embrace the cross, ¡Now it comes!(...)"
"(...) The atheist smoke then will be plunged in the SMOKE OF OBSCURITY* (...)"
* As I have stated, this sentence is speaking about the three days of darkness and asphyxia, (see, for example: www.3daysofdarkness.com...)
BSP & JA gave us these details about this topic:
Spanish: "- El mundo conocerá el puño cerrado y sin Dios - luego, el puño abierto abrazando en Dios_". BSP y JA 1972
English: "- The world will know the clenched fist and without God - later, the outspread fist embracing in God_". BSP y JA 1972
Spanish: "- El mundo en su Babel recibirá niebla en la noche de los humos y ... ¡Será confusión! -". BSP y JA 1972
English: "- The world in its Babel will receive FOG in the night of the SMOKES and ... ¡will be confusion! -". BSP y JA 19
Spanish: "- La niebla cubre la vista del hombre en el mundo - porque - la vista del hombre no aprendió a ver -". BSP y JA 1972
English: "- The FOG covers the sight of the man in the world - because - man's sight has not learnt to see -". BSP y JA 1972
Spanish: "- Ya el ruido ensordece al hombre - al mundo que cae - - Ya el frío le congela - ya el humo le asfixia - ya la niebla le confunde - ¡Llega el fuego!". BSP y JA 1972
English: "- Now the noise deafens the man - and the world which falls - -Now the cold freeze him - now THE SMOKE ASPHYXIATE HIM - now the FOG confuses him - ¡the fire comes*!". BSP y JA 1972 * Lit. arrives
Spanish: "- ¡Ya el sol en nubes! - ¡ya es la nube en lluvias!... - ya la desazón en rigores- - ya es la oscuridad... - porque - es la hora diez- - porque - es el principio del final-". BSP y JA 1972
English: "- ¡Now the sun [is] inside CLOUDS! - ¡now the CLOUD is in rainfalls!... - now uneasiness [is] in rigors- - NOW THERE IS OBSCURITY... - because - it is already the hour ten- - because - it is the beginning of the end-". BSP y JA 1972

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I'm a Christian but I would not cheat nor would I treat you badly.

Maybe you should have just checked them and let them know the errors of their ways. And why were you dating a Christian girl in the first place?

I did and they showed an utter lack of comprehension and personal responsibility. To this day the girl claims I was untrustworthy, even though she told myself and family members she cheated. The other dude similarly never took responsibility.

Yes, not all Christians are like this, just like atheists. However, my point there is absolutely zero correlation with being a Christian and sinning less or being more moral than other people. So the argument by the op that "atheists just want to sin and be immoral, that's why they aren't Christian" fails utterly on those grounds.

As to why dating, are you suggesting that I should be biased against all women who are Christian, or vice versa?

You know that relationships that have little in common usually end up pretty broken.

That's why people should have common interests and understandings.

I agree, but it really depends on many variables.

For example, I recently dated a more moderate Christian girl here in Brooklyn. But we connected on many other variables, including mutually shared deep interests in music, art, concerts, etc.

Regarding the religion thing, I think that it depends on how religious a person is. If someone is just moderately Christian (or insert another religion) and it's more cultural or open minded, then it is possible to have a relationship. I think that it is difficult for fundamentalists to be in a relationship with non-fundamentalists as not only do their beliefs proscribe dating non-believers but there is less openness towards mutual discussion and respect with non-believers.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: AinElohim

They will simply lose the debate like they lose the debate on ATS

I have yet to see you 'win' any 'debate'. You rarely ever make a cogent argument. You constantly claim you're winning and you destroy atheists in debates. I can only assume your strategy is to repeat this lie in the hopes repetition will convince yourself and some others it's true.

not that I'm a Christian and all...

Also we know of your previous account. It's obvious you're a Christian.

Your quote from your prior account Cosmic.Artifact:

"there is one way to know who is God one must understand Jesus of the holy bible"

1. Belief in the religious god of the Bible 2. Belief that understanding the Bible is to understand god. 3. Belief in Christ.

You're constantly saying how you devastate atheists with your superiority and how you're not Christian. You're full of crap on both fronts. We truly are not that dense.

Lol, I am not anti-Christian, but I am with you on your sentiments. It is hilarious when "not Christian" people say statements like you are noting.

They think that everyone else must be stupid and somehow if they claim that they are 1) not Christian but 2) laud Christians, Jesus, the Bible, etc, that somehow now it is all more credible.

As if I am going to be like "Oh wait you say you aren't a Christian but 'Jesus is the Son of God?' Why OMG, it all makes sense and a non-Christian must believe it so maybe it is true?" Lol, no.

And, a note to "not Christians" who believe that "Jesus is the son of God," the Bible proscribes lying.....

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

And, a note to "not Christians" who believe that "Jesus is the son of God," the Bible proscribes lying.....

yours truly happens to fall into that category...

would you care to explain how the bible prescribes lying?

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

And, a note to "not Christians" who believe that "Jesus is the son of God," the Bible proscribes lying.....

yours truly happens to fall into that category...

would you care to explain how the bible prescribes lying?

I think Quetzlcoatl meant "against lying". Proscribes, not prescribes.

a reply to: WarminIndy

A rather interesting similarity in two words with very different meanings.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I'm a Christian but I would not cheat nor would I treat you badly.

Maybe you should have just checked them and let them know the errors of their ways. And why were you dating a Christian girl in the first place?

I did and they showed an utter lack of comprehension and personal responsibility. To this day the girl claims I was untrustworthy, even though she told myself and family members she cheated. The other dude similarly never took responsibility.

Yes, not all Christians are like this, just like atheists. However, my point there is absolutely zero correlation with being a Christian and sinning less or being more moral than other people. So the argument by the op that "atheists just want to sin and be immoral, that's why they aren't Christian" fails utterly on those grounds.

As to why dating, are you suggesting that I should be biased against all women who are Christian, or vice versa?

You know that relationships that have little in common usually end up pretty broken.

That's why people should have common interests and understandings.

I agree, but it really depends on many variables.

For example, I recently dated a more moderate Christian girl here in Brooklyn. But we connected on many other variables, including mutually shared deep interests in music, art, concerts, etc.

Regarding the religion thing, I think that it depends on how religious a person is. If someone is just moderately Christian (or insert another religion) and it's more cultural or open minded, then it is possible to have a relationship. I think that it is difficult for fundamentalists to be in a relationship with non-fundamentalists as not only do their beliefs proscribe dating non-believers but there is less openness towards mutual discussion and respect with non-believers.

Moderate Christian, do you mean one who is Christian simply because of family tradition?

The sad thing that has befallen Christianity is the foundation has been lost. The truest definition of Christianity is one who is not only a follower of Christ, but one who is also a believer in Christ by repentance and being born again.

Now when we say born again, we mean that one looks at the condition of their lives or their hearts, believes that Christ died on the Cross for them and rose again on the third day to bring mankind back into fellowship with God, by the Holy Spirit.

That is what it means, a change of heart and mind.

But the foundation has been broken because the Chief Cornerstone is rejected over and over, even though people still like to look at the building and associate themselves with it.

Luke 20:17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? 18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

That does not mean that if you don't believe in Jesus that He will come and pound you to dust, that is an idiom that every believer understands. Let me explain, do you know how it feels if you have done something wrong and you get caught for it, and even if you weren't punished, how it feels? That feeling of being crushed by some guilt in you?

It makes you feel so beaten sometimes. That's what He was talking about.

Ephesians 2: 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Christ is the Cornerstone of the building, if the builders of their lives reject Christ as the Cornerstone, then it is just a nice building to look at. It may be a nice life, but pretty soon that feeling of emptiness will come, that bitter grinding pain of loneliness or remorse will pound away. Then one day the person who thought their life was so nice will realize that they are hurting and need a relationship with God. That is true and we see it over and over and over every day.

This is where Christianity has gone to, Christ is no longer the cornerstone. It's nice to look at, but empty.

a reply to: Akragon

If i was still an Atheist, i would thank Jesus for the good tidings, tell him about all the fun things, like crusades and Mormons. Then i will steal a can of diet Slice from him and go fistbump Satan. He likes diet Slice.

P.S These days, i worship stupidity and my god can be anyone. Are you my god? Question is rhetorical as i already know the answer, my god is the stupidest person i encounter every day.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

And, a note to "not Christians" who believe that "Jesus is the son of God," the Bible proscribes lying.....

yours truly happens to fall into that category...

would you care to explain how the bible prescribes lying?

Ummmmmmmm.

I suggest you google the word "PROSCRIBE." It is a different word than "prescribe." Opposite...