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originally posted by: Shamrock6
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: Shamrock6
Miranda Warnings aren't given to witnesses. But I'm sure you knew that.
How very "free" of you
Providing education to correct ignorance, for free?
It really is "free," isn't it?
originally posted by: Aazadan
originally posted by: Shamrock6
He's pled not guilty to the murder, and as far as I can tell no body has ever been found. Since he pled not guilty, and the state thinks he did it, a trial is kind of necessary.
But even in that case, the judge has decided the testimony of these men has no value. To be perfectly honest, the judge is likely correct. Any testimony at this point could be considered coerced due to the time in prison, and considering their behavior towards a video taped deposition I don't think they're mentally competent to retell the facts as they believe them to be.
originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
Why not get a witness statement, sworn statement, affidavit, whatever it's called, from him? It's where the prosecutor and the witness and his attorney and others sit down and and questions are asked and answered. It holds up in court because it is a sworn statement witnessed by the persons involved. That sure as heck beats sitting in jail for years. Something doesn't pass the smell test here.
They tried, all the man did is say he did nothing wrong and ask why he was being held in jail. From all accounts it seems like the man doesn't understand our justice system and has no intent in learning it. Even with his lawyer explaining what was going on the man wasn't cooperating.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
You made a point? I'm sorry, I didn't see it. Yes, it is "free" to not give witnesses a Miranda warning, because the Miranda warning pertains to the right of not incriminating one's self.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
"home of the brave" but I guess since we have some ninnies that live here, we shouldn't call ourselves that either.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: crazyewok
If you witness a murder and give the impression that you're going to skip town to avoid testifying, yea I think it's okay to detain you until a statement or testimony can be taken.
If you witness somebody steal a pack of eggs, no.
If you witness somebody jaywalking, no.
If you may or may not know somebody wjo may or may not be a terrorist, no.
Depriving you of your freedom for 3 years to secure your testimony, no.
A true patriot sees their country for what it is, good and bad. Just because I sing the national anthem doesn't mean I think my country is perfect. It doesn't mean that I'm blind to corruption within the government. All it means is that I don't feel compelled to wear my loathing and contempt for those aspects on my sleeve so everybody thinks I'm cool
originally posted by: Aazadan
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: crazyewok
If you witness a murder and give the impression that you're going to skip town to avoid testifying, yea I think it's okay to detain you until a statement or testimony can be taken.
If you witness somebody steal a pack of eggs, no.
If you witness somebody jaywalking, no.
If you may or may not know somebody wjo may or may not be a terrorist, no.
Depriving you of your freedom for 3 years to secure your testimony, no.
A true patriot sees their country for what it is, good and bad. Just because I sing the national anthem doesn't mean I think my country is perfect. It doesn't mean that I'm blind to corruption within the government. All it means is that I don't feel compelled to wear my loathing and contempt for those aspects on my sleeve so everybody thinks I'm cool
But locking a person up until they say what the state wants them to say is a coerced testimony. What's the difference between what the state is doing here, and the state locking your neighbor up until they confess that you're running a kiddie sex dungeon out of your basement, like they think you're doing?