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Out of 300 + million Americans, there isn't a single American Putin to lead ?

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posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: here4this
I have often said , I wish the USA could kidnap Putin and bring him here to lead the country . You are precisely correct in that there is an absolute lack of strong leadership in our country and we are hurting due to this.
And to the previous poster , this actually started way before Clinton . However , there have been some Presidents and leadership since who have actually tried but have been brought down before they could accomplish anything.


See my underlining... and yes, a Putin would hopefully be brought down here again. What the hell is wrong with you?
The man is clearly a war-mongering, power hungry, wanna be KING.

If that's what you want, then you can leave and go there today. It's not wanted here.



I share your sentiments, but if you think about it you just described our current President. Especially the power hungry wanna be King part.




posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:01 AM
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originally posted by: TDawg61
Yesterday this Op was proclaiming himself a miracle healer who channels his supernatural capabilities from Jesus himself.When will ats rid itself of its socialist trolls?

Sounds like I missed a really funny thread!



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:03 AM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: here4this

Unfortunately, people are so entrenched in their respective "teams" that the mere suggestion that the American people should vote for the BEST candidate, and not the "party" candidate is tantamount to treason. Thank you for your service, by the way. I may not be an American much longer, but I still hold a deep respect for the men and women who serve.


Jesse Ventura addressed this exact scenario. He said voting booths should just offer candidate names without party affiliation. It would force people to actually educate themselves about what the candidates stand for, instead of the 85% of sheeple who vote strictly upon party lines.

"I think that when Americans go to vote, states should not list what party the candidates are affiliated with. That would require voters to actually think and get to know a candidate instead of voting for their favorite gang. 'Oh, this guy is a Republican, so he must be good.' "
www.brainyquote.com...



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Stupid is as stupid does…



edit on 17-3-2015 by intrptr because: YouTube



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

Are you insulting me because I don't believe your silly conspiracy theory? Very mature of you...



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: UnBreakable

It's one of the few things Mr. Ventura and myself agreed upon.



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: Cobaltic1978



If you don't want to end up like Nemstov, I guess it's safer to say 'yes, I approve'.


Probably, if not, you could become a target to try and smear Putin with it...so if you don`t want to end being seen as a possible martyr, don`t be against him.



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: intrptr

Are you insulting me because I don't believe your silly conspiracy theory? Very mature of you…

Its not a conspiracy. It really happened, despite the "BS" promoted by those such as yourself that keep insisting it didn't.

The audible vote to keep Ron Paul out of the Presidential debate was rigged beforehand. Thats all I showed. The reality.



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

That is just proof that the Republican party didn't want Ron Paul representing them as a Presidential candidate. It speaks nothing towards a secret shadow government that runs things behind the scenes.



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:12 AM
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I believe we have "lost track" of the OPs original thoughts. The way I took it they were not speaking literally about Putin and his leadership , but the pure strength of actions he puts forward as a nation's leader. Putin may have his drawbacks but when it comes down to it, no nation really wants to test the man.



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

So why are all US foreign policies just copies of the previous government ?



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t


It speaks nothing towards a secret shadow government that runs things behind the scenes.

In Platos cave, yah.



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:14 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Some people genuinely believe Ron Paul was the last best hope for a true savior of America. Nevermind the fact that he had good ideas, sure... But he was also kinda bat#it crazy. Not the adorable "He'll do unconventional things and bring new eyes to a situation with his eccentric ways" crazy, but "Grandpa's took his shirt off and is screaming at the cats again" crazy.



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: Krazysh0t

So why are all US foreign policies just copies of the previous government ?


Because puppet governments help our business interests. This has been the case dating all the way back to the banana republics in South America. The US has a long history of promoting its business and economic interests over a country's right for self-determination while at the same time singing praises for self-determination (great hypocrisy).



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Krazysh0t


It speaks nothing towards a secret shadow government that runs things behind the scenes.

In Platos cave, yah.


Irrelevant. You don't have any concrete proof of your claims so you are just as unaware of what is truly going as I would be. Me, I look at history and social sciences to get an idea of why our government does the things it does. If you'd bother to study those two topics, much of our government's behavior would make a lot of sense without all the silly conspiracy theory talk. Naturally, conspiracies DO happen in our government, but a super secret shadow government is just nonsense talk.



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:19 AM
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originally posted by: Aaamok88
a reply to: enlightenedservant

So your entire argument is that American people are confused as to what their values are

And so the president reflects that by being confused as well.

Sounds like nonsense to me


"Confused" is the wrong word. There was never a single "American" ideal to begin with. I think that's the part you're missing. America's never had a national church like many other countries have, so there's never been a consensus on what religious values were "the American norm". We have the most ethnic diversity imaginable, so whose traditions & traditional values would we follow?

There were hundreds of federally recognized Native American tribes (and many, many more recognized strictly by their respective states). Many American states, cities, mountain ranges etc are named for tribes or use tribal words as their names (Tennessee, Mississippi, the Dakotas, etc). And while the Northeast (New England) was founded by the British, the Southwest was part of Spanish Mexico, and Louisiana was settled by the French. All of these influences still exist today, in the dialects, foods, traditions, religious beliefs, etc of those respective regions.

Then you have places like Utah which was founded by Mormons, who actually warred w/the US. And places like Indiana & Oklahoma, which were territories originally designated as "Indian territory" when the settlers forced them out of their lands (this is just the last 200yrs). You even have Hawaii, which was its own sovereign kingdom w/no connection whatsoever to the US mainland. And I didn't even touch on their vastly different "traditional" views on slavery or abolition, treatment of Natives, isolationism vs imperialism, etc.

America isn't like most nation states that were founded by a dominant tribe or ethnic group. It's literally a nation of immigrants and individuals. There's never any real unity because there's nothing to unify behind. We don't have a shared history or shared experiences. It was only the 1960s that racial segregation ended & multiracial couples were legally allowed to marry. And those were fierce debates that nearly tore the country into pieces. So the OP would be like asking all Europeans to give up their native languages for Serbian, forget their histories & individual cultures, and only rally behind a Serbian Putin.



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:19 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: Krazysh0t

So why are all US foreign policies just copies of the previous government ?


Because puppet governments help our business interests. This has been the case dating all the way back to the banana republics in South America. The US has a long history of promoting its business and economic interests over a country's right for self-determination while at the same time singing praises for self-determination (great hypocrisy).


And those businesses have a long history as we know, so they dictate US politics and by so can be considered as Shadow Government ?



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: intrptr

That is just proof that the Republican party didn't want Ron Paul representing them as a Presidential candidate. It speaks nothing towards a secret shadow government that runs things behind the scenes.


I was pretty much skeptical of a "secret shadow government". Then I read this book, The Shadows of Power. Very interesting, makes you wonder. The author says the CFR has a lot of influence, from picking the candidates to setting policy. True or not, it's an enlightening read.

"..........exposes the subversive roots and global designs of the CFR. Passed off as a think-tank, this group is a key "power behind the throne," with hundreds of top-appointed government officials drawn from its ranks. Traces activity from the Wilson to Reagan administrations."
www.amazon.com...



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Business interests aren't a universal demand. Each business has its own interests that it wants to pursue, using the government to do it. A group of businessmen pursuing interests in South America wouldn't be the same group of businessmen pursuing interests in the Middle East.

It is a fallacy to assume they are the same.
edit on 17-3-2015 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 17 2015 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: here4this
I believe we have "lost track" of the OPs original thoughts. The way I took it they were not speaking literally about Putin and his leadership , but the pure strength of actions he puts forward as a nation's leader. Putin may have his drawbacks but when it comes down to it, no nation really wants to test the man.


So did Hitler, he was a hero to the German people initially. He tackled unemployment and the economic mess that Germany were in, in the early 1930's. He was a great leader and his actions were seen as strong in Europe, when he first came to prominence.



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