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Your vote does count!!!!

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posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 06:30 PM
The defeatist attitude of many Americans. Has lead our government to easily manipulate elections. Yes there is voter fraud all over the US.

voter fraud at the local level

This is where the manipulation of the people of the United States begins. It is the poor turnout in your local elections when you should be vetting your candidates before they get to DC. I have voted against Mitch McConnell since his very first election for judge. Many of us have a slogan about him in our state." Even a snake will smile at you before it strikes". In the first link I gave you voter fraud that was found in a local election in one the election was decided by one vote.

My God people under 30% of registered voters vote in local elections then everyone whines and complains when these POS make it to DC and make decisions for our federal government.

Here is a link to the mayoral race in one of our largest cities Los Angeles. One Third of registered voters even bothered to vote.

The 2001 race for mayor of Los Angeles was one of the closest and most exciting in decades. With incumbent mayor Richard Riordan leaving office because of term limits, several strong candidates from various political and ethnic backgrounds ran for the office, and surveys indicated that the race was too close to call. It therefore came as a surprise to some that only 33.5 percent of the city’s registered voters came to the polls to cast votes in the April primary nominating election and only 36.2 percent voted in the June runoff election. Given the widely perceived interest in the contest, why did nearly two of three registered voters stay home? Are Los Angeles voters unusual in their degree of civic disinterest?


It seems to me that this could even be manipulation by the political parties to help manipulate the votes the term "your vote doesn't count "to me it's giving up your rights.

The presidential elections are not far behind though lately they've received 50 to 60% voter turnout supposedly. But with Rigged voting machines and absenting ballots we cannot even be sure of that. ( not to mention dead people voting)

voter turnout presidential elections

My god the bastion of democracy is far behind many other nations. People we are being tricked could you imagine the results if we had voter turnout like these nations at our local and national election level. There would be so many people voting that it would be impossible to rig elections because the public would know for sure.

Uruguay (96.1% in 2009)
Ecuador (90.8% in 2009)
Uzbekistan (89.8% in 2007)
Rwanda (89.2% in 2010)
Angola (87.5% in 1992)
Turkmenistan (87.0% in 2012)
Peru (86.2% in 2011)
Bolivia (85.6% in 2009)
Tunisia (85.2% in 2009)
Equatorial Guinea (83.0% in 2009)
Belarus (81.7% in 2010)
Tajikistan (80.8% in 2006)

I would love to see 90% turnout at the state and local elections which is our only real time to vet the candidates. I would also like to see a similar percentage in a presidential elections then we would be sure our vote counted.

The people of America have the opportunity to make a difference. But it seems we've become so disenchanted weed rather sit on our computers and whine!

I cannot stress enough participation in your state and local elections. That's where we can chop the heads off the big-money snakes before they get going.

Bottom line is don't be a quitter get out there and vote and get other people interested in politics. We can make a difference all we have to do is get off our butts.

The only reason your vote doesn't count is because you are not voting

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posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 06:43 PM
Behind Obama and Romney in the last Presidential election was Gary Johnson(I think that's what his name was) with less than 1% of the vote.

So tell me again how your vote matters when you have only two scumbags of equal scumbaggery that will win regardless of your choice?

Yes voting in local elections is still relatively effective, but don't delude yourself into thinking your vote makes a lick of difference in the big picture.
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posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 06:53 PM
a reply to: watchitburn

Sure it would if we had a 75% turnout in Kentucky Mitch McConnell would've not been reelected. Everyone of the senators and congressmen in office can be voted out at the state level but not with 25 to 30% of registered voters voting.

In case you forgot Obama and Romney were both in office prior to the presidential election. If we voted them out at the state level they would've had to pick someone else. I'm a Rand Paul man I first met him at a normal meeting and shook his hand looked him dead in the eye and I saw an honest man.

And if all the disillusion voters voted in the presidential election Gary Johnson just may have been president.
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posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 07:04 PM

Your vote does count!!!!

Not when you only get to choose between the two people that are on most 2 party ballots you don't! When everyone that is running for president from an official party is represented on the voting ballots in every district equally, then and only then will our votes actually count. Until that day comes, the choice is made long before your vote is cast.

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 07:08 PM
a reply to: SpaDe_

Sure you can turn out if your local elections vet the candidates and vote the big money out. There are independence running with a 90% turnout an independent has a good chance to win most the people that are not voting are people with your attitude so they would surely vote against one of the two parties.

Sorry that's the key we need a much larger voter turnout.

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 07:10 PM
a reply to: Greathouse

I always vote for the guy with the best hair, cuz that's what its all about. Dont kid yourself, our candidates are zionist puppets. We dont have real elections when it comes to the federal level.

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 07:14 PM
Who controls the nation?

Who controls the governement (don't say president, that's not entirely true)?

Who controls the election?

Not the people.

Voting means # all, doesn't matter how many people do or do not vote, it's already been in yhe books.

America (and many nations) are the very definition of a pyramid scheme. It's illegal, yet legal and governs too many people to tag a number with. ..

The voters are on yhe bottom of this pyramid, those who control nations are at its peak, and the president is somewhere below that lol.

Don't vote, make it known who will be president, by other methods.The voting system is of OLD times and is proven to not be effective.

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 07:20 PM
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Because that's the current system that has instilled defeatist attitude like yours. Go ahead and keep kidding yourself, but if Americans took control of politics again the current systems would change.

Besides how in the hell can you know that? We've never tried or had near a 90% voter turnout and like many other countries. Your vote doesn't count that's how the two-party system keeps us in's some independence that received in some cases a large percent of the boat. If people like you would quit whining and get out there and vote independent one of these might win.

1948 States' Rights Democratic Strom Thurmond Fielding L. Wright 1,175,946 2.41 / 100 17.70 / 100 39 / 531 3rd of 8 1968 American Independent George Wallace Curtis LeMay 9,901,118 13.53 / 100 13.56 / 100 46 / 538 3rd of 12 1980 Independent John B. Anderson Patrick Lucey 5,719,850 6.61 / 100 6.61 / 100 0 / 538 3rd of 19 1992 Independent Ross Perot James Stockdale 19,743,821 18.91 / 100 18.91 / 100 0 / 538 3rd of 23 1996 Reform Ross Perot Pat Choate 8,085,402 8.40 / 100

George Wallace received 13.5% of the presidential vote as an independent. Ross Perot got almost 19% of the vote as an independent. Yes the two-party system can be busted but not while you're sitting on your butt get out there and vote!

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 07:33 PM
a reply to: Elementalist

Baloney at 30 to 50% of registered voters now voating we can be tricked. If we reached 80 to 90% of registered voters voting we would know we were tricked they might get away with it once they might even try to get away with it a second time but they'll never get away with it a third time if we have those kind of turnouts. ( you must realize a change in the US political system is not going to happen overnight)

Here's a great candidate running for president in 2016 he needs votes and money.

Potential 2016 Libertarian Candidate Potential 2016 Libertarian Presidential Candidate
Former Governor of New Mexico
Gary Johnson Potential Libertarian 2016 Candidate Gary Johnson

The ex-construction company owner governed New Mexico for eight years, during which time, the state’s deficit was wiped out - without the aid of any new tax increases. He also memorably vetoed over 750 pieces of legislations to keep a check on the state government’s spending.

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posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 07:37 PM
a reply to: Greathouse

Look, I get your point, but the average American does not have the moral integrity to take back the authority. The people want Medicaid and Medicare, they want the middle class to pay for their lifestyles, they want the anti-depressants to numb their hollow skulls. America has already casted its vote, and it voted for the nany-state and corrupt politicians. Now we have to live with it. If you want to change things, change people's hearts, because right now, the mighty dollar is the rule of law, not common morality.

You cant expect an entire generation of free loaders to get up and do the right thing. People like you and me, we are the dying minority. I dont look to politicians for my guidance and well being. Only God is my shepphard.

If America is going to rebound, its going to have to suffer the consequences of its poor decision making first, and personally, I can live with that. I welcome it.
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posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 07:38 PM
a reply to: watchitburn

The stars on your post show the defeatist attitude of most Americans they have just given up. Shame on you.

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 07:41 PM
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Now we have to live with it.

Thank you for seeing the logic behind my post. But No we don't Have to live with it.

Most Americans are unhappy with the way our government is going, now is the time whether it takes a couple elections or not we can change things.

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posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 07:52 PM
a reply to: Greathouse

Yeah, most Americans were unhappy with the Bush Sr republicans, so they voted for the Clinton democrats, then it shifted back to the repubs, and now to the democrats again. Gee, I wonder whats next?

Its obvious that most Americans are unhappy with the government, but to this day, most Americans just dont know why. Its called self induce mysery, resulting from a frantic search for happiness. We'll take any bastard with a shiney smile. That is why I dont vote.

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 07:57 PM
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Yeah that's what's been happening lately a Republican for eight years in a democrat for for eight years back-and-forth back-and-forth. All we need to do to shake up the establishment is vote vote one independent in as president If we could do it just once it would severely shake up both parties Hell it might even start a movement. All we need is to do it once.

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 08:19 PM
a reply to: Greathouse

I supported Ron and Rand Paul for a while, but to be honest, I dont trust even them anymore. Ron's a mason who wants a global currency, and Rand is a zionist in disguise. What makes you think the government would allow a real third party candidate in the game. Twice in a row, Ron backed out at the last minute letting his supporters down.

I say we should do the opposite. We should give our government the finger by not voting to show that we wont play their game anymore.

Its not like we ever had a choice anyways. The Constitution was illegally ratified by a 2/3rds vote (after some forcefull motivation), which was a direct violation if the Articles of Confederation. If it werent for the Anti-Federalists, we wouldnt even have a Bill of Rights.

Why should I vote for an illegal government? This country does not represent my views, needs or desires. Im simply here for the ride, and will render unto caesar until my death or resurrection. I dont waste anymore time fantasizing about grand political revolutions.

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 08:27 PM
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Amendments take a two thirds majority of both houses to be proposed. To be ratified they have to be approved by three quarters of the states.

What makes you think the government would allow a real third party candidate in the game

If someone was elected with an 80 to 90% turnout. We would be putting the finger to the government . They would not have a choice it would be our voice speaking.

I'm sorry I'm not the type that gives up.

That's my problem with most Americans they are quitters and slackers. And echo your same complaints but do nothing about it.

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 08:41 PM
a reply to: Greathouse

Well, I can respect your sense of urgency, but to be honest, I dont think Ill be here for the next presidential election and I dont know that the country will be in a healthy enough state to see another election. I think the founders of this nation expected it to collapse in 2016.

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 08:49 PM
a reply to: Greathouse

Your trying to tell us that our vote does count,then go on to list voter fraud,dead people voting,etc. So tell me,how does our vote count again? Too bad you weren't here in St.Charles when Ron Paul came to whip up votes for himself. The police actually came and busted it up,I was going to go and when I heard on the radio that they were throwing people out and wouldn't let Dr.Paul talk to people. Then the Republican convention refused to let any Paul supporters have the floor or be recognized.So Yeah,how does our vote count again?

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 08:51 PM
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

If you don't mind I'd like to ask how old you are?

I've been hearing about the failure of the United States since the 70s the collapse of the fiat dollar. I remember in the 80s when we had a huge debt. We worked it out back then actually Reagan did it with Reaganomics and Clinton got credit for it. We faced tough times before And we've pulled through it. I don't see a collapse yet. My actual wishes are for isolation, but if we become isolationist again the rest of the world will collapse it's kind of a Catch-22. Everyone talks about brics if anyone doesn't think the same powers that are behind the central banking are behind bricks they are only fooling their selves.

It's been pleasant talking to you thanks!

posted on Mar, 16 2015 @ 08:56 PM
a reply to: Dimithae

I was highly offended by the way Ron Paul was cheated. That is my point with a suppose 50% turnout for the presidential election they can manipulate the vote and strong arm us. If the turnout was higher 80 to 90% of registered voters it would not happen.

As long as we are divided they are in control the people of the United States need to unite and vote like the list of countries in my OP.

Then the Republican convention refused to let any Paul supporters have the floor or be recognized.So Yeah,how does our vote count again?

Ron Paul's biggest mistake was trying to run as a Republican. He should have run as a independent he had the whole youth of the country behind him and it would've made a difference running as an independent.
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