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originally posted by: aboutface
a reply to: burdman30ott6
Wow. I love this presentation. I hope it makes people think and reflect about blindly taking sides. It kind of illustrates that the old adages and definitions have outlived their appointed time. Some of us wish for a new order wherein national boundaries are dissolved and the 'We VS Them' mentality stops focusing on the differences, and allows the 'mankind is all family' to take hold.
Russian forces seize Crimea; Ukraine’s interim president decries ‘aggression’
By Kathy Lally, William Booth and Will Englund March 1, 2014
MOSCOW — Russian troops took control of vital installations across the Crimean Peninsula on Saturday, and Russian President Vladimir Putin secured authorization to send in more as the Kremlin set the stage for a high-stakes international showdown over the future of Ukraine.
Putin Moves Russian Troops Into Crimea
AP | By DALTON BENNETT and DAVID McHUGH
Posted: 03/01/2014 8:57 am EST Updated: 05/01/2014 5:59 am EDT
SEVASTOPOL, Ukraine (AP) — The pro-Russian leader of Ukraine's Crimea region claimed control of the military and police there Friday and appealed to Russia's President Vladimir Putin for help in keeping peace, sharpening the discord between the two Slavic neighbor countries.
It was the latest escalation following the ouster of Ukraine's pro-Russian president last week by a protest movement aimed at turning Ukraine toward the European Union and away from Russia.
Armed men described as Russian troops took control of key airports and a communications center in Crimea on Friday. Ukraine has accused Russia of a "military invasion and occupation" — a claim that brought an alarming new dimension to the crisis, and raised fears that Moscow is moving to annex a strategic peninsula where Russia's Black Sea fleet is based.
9 March 2015 Last updated at 10:58 ET
Putin reveals secrets of Russia's Crimea takeover plot
Vladimir Putin has admitted for the first time that the plan to annex Crimea was ordered weeks before the referendum on self-determination.
Crimea was formally absorbed into Russia on 18 March, to international condemnation, after unidentified gunmen took over the peninsula.
Mr Putin said on TV he had ordered work on "returning Crimea" to begin at an all-night meeting on 22 February.
The meeting was called after Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych was ousted.
Speaking last year, Mr Putin had said only that he took his final decision about Crimea after secret, undated opinion polls showed 80% of Crimeans favoured joining Russia.
Russia’s Lavrov Reassures Czech President That Moscow Has no Plans to Invade Ukraine
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov reassured the President of Czech Republic Milos Zeman on the sidelines of the ASEM Summit in Milan that Russia is not planning to invade Eastern Ukraine, Czech president's office said.
PRAGUE, October 17 (RIA Novosti) - Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov reassured the President of the Czech Republic Milos Zeman on the sidelines of the ASEM Summit in Milan that Russia is not planning to invade Eastern Ukraine, Czech president's office said.
Russia says no proof it sent troops, arms to east Ukraine
By Gabriela Baczynska
MOSCOW Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:08am EST
(Reuters) - Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov sought to fend off fresh accusations from Kiev that Moscow is sending soldiers and weapons to Ukraine and said he hoped for progress at talks on the conflict on Wednesday despite renewed fighting.
Kiev accused Russian regular forces on Tuesday of attacking its troops in eastern Ukraine, one of its boldest assertions yet that Russia's military is directly involved in a conflict in which more than 4,800 people have died since last April.
Russia has up to 9,000 troops in Ukraine, says Poroshenko
21/01 17:27 CET
Russia has once again denied accusations from Kyiv that Moscow is sending troops to Ukraine.
It came ahead of talks in Berlin on the Minsk plan, which sets out a series of points to which both sides agreed last year, but which failed to stop the fighting.
“I promise you, we will have an absolutely clear and stable situation in Ukraine if Russia fulfills point number four (of the Minsk plan): close the border and withdraw all the foreign troops from my territory,” said the Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. “Because now, and the dates of our intelligence confirmed by independent sources, we have more than 9,000 troops of Russian Federation on my territory.”
Published on Mar 18, 2015
As the conflict in eastern Ukraine continues, thousands of foreign soldiers are joining the fight alongside the pro-Russia separatists of the Donetsk People's Republic (DNR). While the majority of these soldiers are from Russia, a growing number of volunteers from western Europe, and even as far as Brazil, are joining the ranks of the separatist forces.
Russia Claims Captured Soldiers Crossed Ukraine Border by Accident
By Ivan Nechepurenko
Aug. 26 2014 12:08
Last edited 12:44
“We were told that we were making a 70-kilometer march and nothing else,” a man, who identified himself as Ivan Melchakov,19, said on camera.
The Russian Defense Ministry has confirmed that the ten Russian paratroopers captured by Ukrainian security services in the country's east are indeed Russian, but said they crossed the border by mistake.
Ukrainian security services earlier on Tuesday claimed they had detained ten Russian servicemen in the eastern Donetsk region and published footage of the men online.
A statement published by the security agency said the captured soldiers belonged to the 71211 military unit of the Russian Armed Forces, based in the Russian town of Kostroma.
The Russian Defense Ministry later on Tuesday confirmed to state-run media the detained servicemen are Russian, but said they had crossed the border “accidentally.”
“The mentioned servicemen were patrolling the Russian-Ukrainian border, and crossed it, probably, accidentally, at an unmarked border point,” an unidentified source told news agency RIA-Novosti on Tuesday.
WWIII will almost certainly feature a conflict where the division of good vs evil will division of good vs evil will depend solely on propaganda and perception rather than anything remotely tangible.
They were never there: Russia's silence for families of troops killed in Ukraine
The Kremlin denies sending troops into the conflict in east Ukraine, but Russian relatives of those who have served and died across the border tell a different story
A growing body of information about Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine has started to reveal a damning picture of Moscow’s intervention in the separatist conflict there, despite Kremlin denials of involvement.
As fighting continued to flare in the east particularly around Donetsk airport, an online organisation has catalogued more than 260 people reportedly killed in eastern Ukraine. The Open Russia organisation, started by the Kremlin critic Mikhail Khodorkovsky, has also published a map showing where the dead are from.
The official denial of Russian military participation in Ukraine has pressured the relatives of those who served and died there to keep silent, and could deprive many of them of the benefits to which they are entitled. But some have started to speak out.
Yelena Tumanova, a hospital orderly from Russia’s Mari El republic, said her son Anton Tumanov told her by phone on 10 August that his army unit was being sent to Donetsk. On 20 August, a coffin came back to Mari El with a small window through which she could see his face. His legs had been torn off by an artillery strike, his comrades told her. He was 20 years old.
“When he chose this path, we didn’t know they were sending our soldiers to Ukraine,” Tumanova told the Guardian. “If I would have known, if he would have known … he would not have joined up again. Even if he would have, I wouldn’t have let him. But he said: ‘Don’t worry, [the Russian president Vladimir] Putin says they won’t send anyone there.’”
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
the division of good vs evil will depend solely on propaganda and perception rather than anything remotely tangible.
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
However, claiming that you don't believe any news sources whether they are independent no matter from wherever they are, how do you get any information and how do you actually know whether it is true or propaganda?
The fact that Russia has been lying about not having plans to invade Crimea, and Ukraine can be easily shown to be false simply by reading the before and after claims from Russian officials and Putin himself.
But there is an even more striking instance of the United States ignoring use of the chemical weapons that killed tens of thousands of people — during the grinding Iraq-Iran war in the 1980s. As documented in 2002 by Washington Post reporter Michael Dobbs, the Reagan administration knew full well it was selling materials to Iraq that was being used for the manufacture of chemical weapons, and that Iraq was using such weapons, but U.S. officials were more concerned about whether Iran would win rather than how Iraq might eke out a victory. Dobbs noted that Iraq’s chemical weapons’ use was “hardly a secret, with the Iraqi military issuing this warning in February 1984: “The invaders should know that for every harmful insect, there is an insecticide capable of annihilating it . . . and Iraq possesses this annihilation insecticide"
originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Except for the imperative fact that Shaw wasnt fired for disclosing that information, but for massive corruption in a telecommunications scandal.
Talkaniel Rudnick vs. DoD and John A. Shaw: Motion to Dismiss, 2006
The Official Defense Department report on the hijacking of the Iraqi cellular telephone tender in 2003 was the first IG related effort which uncovered major corruption in Iraq. The Daniel Sudnick vs. DoD and John A. Shaw suit has to be understood as an attempt to try to evade the clear conclusions of that official DoD report of May, 2004, on the corruption of the telecom tender in 2003. Daniel Sudnick was fired in April, 2004, as a result of a Bearing Point audit report that showed $435 Million was missing from Sudnick's Ministry of Communications account and all records destroyed. The telecom tender, worth $3 Billion, had been fixed by Nadhmi Auchi, the corrupt Iraqi billionaire, who managed, according to the report, to bribe a cross section of Iraqi, British, and American players, including Sudnick, in the process. Sudnick's basic contention in this was that his firing was prompted by Shaw as a result of rumors and ill will. Nothing could be further from the truth. The evidence, which was provided to the FBI, is incontrovertible.
Sudnick's suit was a peculiar outgrowth of a smear campaign intended to discredit the investigation and Shaw himself by raising phony allegations about Shaw and his office. The smear was orchestrated by Sudnick and his lawyer, his Baghdad deputy and lover, Bonnie Carroll, and a reporter from the LA Times, T. Christian Miller. Miller wrote a series of articles in the LA Times alleging that Shaw did not have the investigative authority to produce the report and claiming that Shaw had a sweetheart deal with an American company involved in the tender. It was like the dope peddler claiming that the cop who arrested him had taken a bribe.
At Shaw's request the report was forwarded to the Department of Justice and FBI in June, 2004, and in August, 2004, the Department of Defense issued an official press release saying that Shaw was not and had not been under investigation for anything and that he had operated entirely properly and within his area of authority and jurisdiction in his pursuit of wrongdoing in Iraq. In the interim other newpaper reports showed that Miller's stories were simply untrue. Finally, both the Department of Justice and the Department of Defense announced that the case which Sudnick raised against Shaw was closed and baseless. The FBI investigation of Auchi, Sudnick, and others, however, continues with the active cooperation of Shaw's former office at the Pentagon.
Shaw's dismissal from DoD occurred after complaints were raised about his conduct in office (as reported in the LA Times) and Shaw's statements, made without evidence during the 2004 Presidential Campaign while Shaw still held a senior DoD position, that the Russian government had sent Russian special forces units to Iraq before the fall of Saddam Hussein to remove WMD from Iraq to Syria. The Bush Administration, through DoD, repudiated Shaw's statements, eliminated his position within DoD and terminated his employment with DoD. From time to time, Shaw still publicly repeats the unfounded statements that have been repudiated by responsible U.S. Government officials, occasionally adding additional disinformation to embellish his stories.