Is the Sun four days off center in the solar system?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

so say the Hypothesis

They AREN'T hypotheses! They are theories with much evidence supporting them. Your staunch refusal to educate yourself, recognize when you've made an error, and then cover that error up with further errors shows a clear close minded position. Confirmation bias leads your way.

The fact that you brush Scientific Laws off as mere hypotheses is just mind boggling. Kepler's laws are so precise and true that we have actual mathematical formulas attached to them. Denying Kepler's laws is akin to denying mathematics. You are in uncharted territory here in your science denialism rant. Why don't you also deny Newton's laws of physics while you are at it? After all, Kepler's laws are based on those laws too.

This is seriously the most convoluted, ill-educated thread I've ever seen here. We're attempting to use leap-year to prove God created the Earth and that the speed of light isn't constant.

What's a day... on Mercury... Mars... Earth... Pluto... on the Sun?

The latter one is funny, simply because the rotational velocity of any point on the Sun's surface varies with regards to latitude so the period of a "day" changes depending on where you would be on the surface... but then what is the external reference point a spot on the surface would use to determine a full rotation? The Earth? Galactic "Central Park"?

Using other common words... what is a "year"? From our point of view, a year is the length of time it takes the Earth to orbit the Sun.

What would be the equivalent to a "year" for the Sun? Presumably the length of time it takes the Sun to orbit the "galactic center", no?

It's obvious we can tell both a "day" and a "year" are relative to the point of view. I hope any "sane" creationist would not try to argue that the Biblical "day" as used in Genesis would equate to the current ~24 hour period we use here on Earth now; it's painfully obvious it's not the same.

So....

Maybe it's not the Sun that's 4 days off, but rather the Sun just gave a push 4 days later?

Let's assume the clump of gas and other detritus that would go on to form our solar system began coalescing. With varying amounts of certainty, the structures that would go on to form the Sun, Earth, Jupiter et al would begin differentiating at various points, probably with the planets beginning to form some time well before the Sun went thermonuclear.

Once the Sun lit off, is it possible that the shockwave from that event altered the orbits of those proto-planetary bodies, and over the course of time (relatively speaking) various influence between the Sun and these proto-planetary so as to create the Solar System and lead to how things appear to us now? Yes, and highly likely.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

so say the Hypothesis

They AREN'T hypotheses! They are theories with much evidence supporting them. Your staunch refusal to educate yourself, recognize when you've made an error, and then cover that error up with further errors shows a clear close minded position. Confirmation bias leads your way.

The fact that you brush Scientific Laws off as mere hypotheses is just mind boggling. Kepler's laws are so precise and true that we have actual mathematical formulas attached to them. Denying Kepler's laws is akin to denying mathematics. You are in uncharted territory here in your science denialism rant. Why don't you also deny Newton's laws of physics while you are at it? After all, Kepler's laws are based on those laws too.

Newton, Kepler ,exc are all just guessing! It's the Bronze Age goat herders that have it right. Math is just another trick by the devil to make us doubt JESUS!!! Lol

originally posted by: paradoxious
What's a day... on Mercury... Mars... Earth... Pluto... on the Sun?

The latter one is funny, simply because the rotational velocity of any point on the Sun's surface varies with regards to latitude so the period of a "day" changes depending on where you would be on the surface... but then what is the external reference point a spot on the surface would use to determine a full rotation? The Earth? Galactic "Central Park"?

Using other common words... what is a "year"? From our point of view, a year is the length of time it takes the Earth to orbit the Sun.

What would be the equivalent to a "year" for the Sun? Presumably the length of time it takes the Sun to orbit the "galactic center", no?

It's obvious we can tell both a "day" and a "year" are relative to the point of view. I hope any "sane" creationist would not try to argue that the Biblical "day" as used in Genesis would equate to the current ~24 hour period we use here on Earth now; it's painfully obvious it's not the same.

So....

Maybe it's not the Sun that's 4 days off, but rather the Sun just gave a push 4 days later?

Let's assume the clump of gas and other detritus that would go on to form our solar system began coalescing. With varying amounts of certainty, the structures that would go on to form the Sun, Earth, Jupiter et al would begin differentiating at various points, probably with the planets beginning to form some time well before the Sun went thermonuclear.

Once the Sun lit off, is it possible that the shockwave from that event altered the orbits of those proto-planetary bodies, and over the course of time (relatively speaking) various influence between the Sun and these proto-planetary so as to create the Solar System and lead to how things appear to us now? Yes, and highly likely.

Nope it was definately Jesus... Definatly!

:p

originally posted by: Entreri06
Nope it was definately Jesus... Definatly!

:p

Our gardener has been late before, but never 4 days late, and doesn't do anything related to yard illumination.

originally posted by: paradoxious

originally posted by: Entreri06
Nope it was definately Jesus... Definatly!

:p

Our gardener has been late before, but never 4 days late, and doesn't do anything related to yard illumination.

He's sand bagging. Probubally turning your sprinkler system to wine , while refusing to share as well.... Damn divine Mexicans :p

So is the sun off center?

I say yes and the approximate time it is off center is on September 20–23.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Entreri06
Remember the computer is only as smart as the programs that run them and they are made by sometimes flawed ideas and hypothesis.

Just noticed this. The scriptures are only as smart as the ancient men who made them. Which Bible author knows how to do an integral?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
So is the sun off center?

I say yes and the approximate time it is off center is on September 20–23.

Off center to what?

a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

this is not a thread to prove God created anything.

it is about finding out if the sun is off center.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

this is not a thread to prove God created anything.

it is about finding out if the sun is off center.

Off center to what?

a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

off center to the earth's orbit around it.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

off center to the earth's orbit around it.

Earth's orbit is an ellipse, with the Sun at one of that ellipses' foci.

a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

all depends on your pinion of them. If you believe that then it is your belief, but others believe not as you.

notice now how belief comes into the picture so gracefully isn't that just bizarre.

because the whole idea of creationism and evolutionary theory, eh er hypothesis, all are based on what one believes.

a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

so then you agree it is off center seeing it is elliptic and not a perfect circle?

If so then is it off by four days?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

all depends on your pinion of them. If you believe that then it is your belief, but others believe not as you.

notice now how belief comes into the picture so gracefully isn't that just bizarre.

because the whole idea of creationism and evolutionary theory, eh er hypothesis, all are based on what one believes.

Evolution has nothing to do with planetary motion or the formation of the solar system.

a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

universal (meaning the universe) evolution does.

As does earthly evolution everything has a starting point and one thing comes from another based on enough time and certain conditions are met.

Just like the dinosaur deniers I am having a hard time believing this thread isn't an example of Poe.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

so then you agree it is off center seeing it is elliptic and not a perfect circle?

If so then is is off by four days?

First question: I guess? It is certainly in an elliptical orbit. A perfect circle, by the way, is just an ellipse with an eccentricity of zero. They are possible in planetary mechanics, just unlikely.

Second question: what does "off by four days" mean?