Is the Sun four days off center in the solar system?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

effectually is is the same the sun exploded and spun out semi-gaseous and molten material that eventually by the suns gravitational pull settle into orbits around the sun cooled and formed planets. But that does not answer why the elliptic earthly orbit exists at a four day off center to the sun.

the universal big bang (still being formulated or hypothesized by science) is basically the same in that one mass somewhere out there exploded and spun our semi-gaseous and molten materials that eventually post created solar systems, dwarf stars, nebula's and black holes, etc etc etc.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Entreri06

still a hypothesis no facts to prove the roller-derby affect.

Except the fact we can watch it happen in other (still forming) solar systems today!

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

effectually is is the same the sun exploded and spun out semi-gaseous and molten material that eventually by the suns gravitational pull settle into orbits around the sun cooled and formed planets. But that does not answer why the elliptic earthly orbit exists at a four day off center to the sun.

the universal big bang (still being formulated or hypothesized by science) is basically the same in that one mass somewhere out there exploded and spun our semi-gaseous and molten materials that eventually post created solar systems, dwarf stars, nebula's and black holes, etc etc etc.

Your not realizing the effect of a super nova. First there were proto stars that were thousands of times bigger then stars today. Those proto stars supernovaed over LIGHT YEARS! Mixing with other supernovas to form the stars we see today. It wasn't a star like ours in roughly the same spot as our sun is today.

a reply to: Entreri06

Are you so sure in what your seeing is true?

or could it be a computer generated hypothesis from a man made computer programs stuffed with computer generated hypothesis of what the scientist hope to find form these computer programed telescopes, satellites and space craft?

Remember the computer is only as smart as the programs that run them and they are made by sometimes flawed ideas and hypothesis.

originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: flammadraco

Still just another theory which has yet to be proven true just like creation.

AGAIN creation isn't a theory. It is a hypothesis.

It's not even a hypothesis. It is unfalsifiable and makes no meaningful predictions that can be tested.

I usually just label them untestable hypotheses. Since a hypothesis is merely a query, any supposition can be a hypothesis. Testability isn't a necessary precursor to call it a hypothesis.

Formatting a testable hypothesis

What Is a Real Hypothesis?

A hypothesis is a tentative statement that proposes a possible explanation to some phenomenon or event. A useful hypothesis is a testable statement, which may include a prediction. A hypothesis should not be confused with a theory. Theories are general explanations based on a large amount of data. For example, the theory of evolution applies to all living things and is based on wide range of observations. However, there are many things about evolution that are not fully understood such as gaps in the fossil record. Many hypotheses have been proposed and tested.

Clearly the desired norm is a testable hypothesis.

It's amazing the amount of "science" creationists can extract from the sentence "God created the heavens and the Earth". So much to go on.

a reply to: Entreri06

you do realize that "the light year" is formulated from an understanding of a 24/7 calculus, that was said to be by Moses established by God on day one, roughly about 6000 years ago.

Even if incorrect the fact remains that we measure times from our own 24/7 (23 point blah blah blah 7 day observation).

We do not know what eternal time is and have no calculus for it, and that is what most Christians agree for the error in radio carbon dating of rock is because the material that made the earth and everything else comes from an eternal source which we cannot calculate, so our instruments register anywhere from tens of thousands billions of years.

If we are to ever understand anything we must first establish what is ETERNAL and how to measure it.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

effectually is is the same the sun exploded and spun out semi-gaseous and molten material that eventually by the suns gravitational pull settle into orbits around the sun cooled and formed planets. But that does not answer why the elliptic earthly orbit exists at a four day off center to the sun.

You didn't even read the links I provided... The sun didn't explode. Nothing exploded. What happened was a large amount of mass condensed and started rotating. That mass came from supernovas, but that is just the preliminary effects. Eventually the center ignited into a proto-sun while the rest continued to orbit around it. These objects collided into each other to become bigger and bigger. Eventually, when everything settled down, what was left was our solar system.

The reason for elliptical orbits was already explained and linked to you when I linked to the Kepler Laws of Planetary Motion.

the universal big bang (still being formulated or hypothesized by science) is basically the same in that one mass somewhere out there exploded and spun our semi-gaseous and molten materials that eventually post created solar systems, dwarf stars, nebula's and black holes, etc etc etc.

Nothing exploded in the big bang either. It is also a theory not a hypothesis. The Big Bang is a misnomer created by disbelievers to try to discredit it, but the name stuck.

What happened was before the universe there was the singularity, which was everything. Then something happened. Then the singularity started expanding. There was no explosion, just a sudden rapid expansion of space. The reason there wasn't an explosion is because there wasn't any space for the universe to explode into.

It would help if you'd understand these simple things (both of these topics are grade school science) before you came in here and started slinging accusations that things are wrong and the bible is more right. You can't say they are wrong if you don't even understand what they are saying.

a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

first the bible I have says "heaven and earth" but that is not the only verses on creation. Prov 8:22-24 and John 1:1-3 shows a "beginning" before the heaven (the depth) and earth.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

so say the Hypothesis

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Entreri06

you do realize that "the light year" is formulated from an understanding of a 24/7 calculus, that was said to be by Moses established by God on day one, roughly about 6000 years ago.

Even if incorrect the fact remains that we measure times from our own 24/7 (23 point blah blah blah 7 day observation).

We do not know what eternal time is and have no calculus for it, and that is what most Christians agree for the error in radio carbon dating of rock is because the material that made the earth and everything else comes from an eternal source which we cannot calculate, so our instruments register anywhere from tens of thousands billions of years.

If we are to ever understand anything we must first establish what is ETERNAL and how to measure it.

If we're going to start deciding that fundamental constants are not real, there is no point to this conversation. You're essentially trying to tell us that two is three.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

first the bible I have says "heaven and earth" but that is not the only verses on creation. Prov 8:22-24 and John 1:1-3 shows a "beginning" before the heaven (the depth) and earth.

And you prefer the handful of sentences written by random punters millennia ago to current science because....?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Entreri06

Are you so sure in what your seeing is true?

or could it be a computer generated hypothesis from a man made computer programs stuffed with computer generated hypothesis of what the scientist hope to find form these computer programed telescopes, satellites and space craft?

Remember the computer is only as smart as the programs that run them and they are made by sometimes flawed ideas and hypothesis.

Yes I'm sure that nasa and all of the scientific community is not in a conspiracy with the devil to discredit Jesus.


Are you sure your not shoving a square peg in a round hole to make what you wish was true match what science has found?

a reply to: ChesterJohn

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, then the earth became void and without form...probably due to the angelic revolution. So, the sun was not created on the 4th day, it was simply restored. The six day event in genesis was not the creation of the universe, but the restoration of our solar system. The universe was created in one single instant.

Its more likely that whatever event caused the flood also elongated our orbit by 5.25 days, so I dont think its the sun that is off center.

a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

the 24hr/7day/365day year is not constant seeing that it must be adjusted every four years.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

your disbelief is a perfect preserved and inerrant word of God is a subject for another thread.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: AshOnMyTomatoes

the 24hr/7day/365day year is not constant seeing that it must be adjusted every four years.

Dear sweet merciful Jeebus. It has to be adjusted every four years because we can't divide the time the Earth takes to go around the Sun once into a perfectly divisible number. Our measurement of geological time, and time as a constant, are two entirely different things.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

your disbelief is a perfect preserved and inerrant word of God is a subject for another thread.

God spoke to me and told me that the Earth was created when a pre-stellar cloud of dust collapsed into a protostellar disk, the core of which ignited into a fusion-powered star. The disk of the cloud blew away, while bigger clumps of the cloud coalesced into the planets. Minor fluctuations and interactions with other objects of mass caused the planets' orbits to be imperfect. God told me all of this. You are now contractually obligated to believe me.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Entreri06

you do realize that "the light year" is formulated from an understanding of a 24/7 calculus, that was said to be by Moses established by God on day one, roughly about 6000 years ago.

Even if incorrect the fact remains that we measure times from our own 24/7 (23 point blah blah blah 7 day observation).

We do not know what eternal time is and have no calculus for it, and that is what most Christians agree for the error in radio carbon dating of rock is because the material that made the earth and everything else comes from an eternal source which we cannot calculate, so our instruments register anywhere from tens of thousands billions of years.

If we are to ever understand anything we must first establish what is ETERNAL and how to measure it.

Oh no... I real life young earther. Look kids you won't see these guys around for much longer!!!



Where and who exactly says Moses figured out how far a light year was?!?

Or does let there be light mean Moses must have known the calculations?


Yet another swing and a miss!

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

your disbelief is a perfect preserved and inerrant word of God is a subject for another thread.

Nope by using the bible as a reference you made it on topic.