Is the Sun four days off center in the solar system?

a reply to: flammadraco

what I was trying to show was the only hypothesis that allows for the four day difference is the Bible.

Scientist cannot come up with why there is roughly a four day ellipsis in our orbit, but the Bible does.

This is in the forum on origins and creationism, ergo, I thought this was a good place to put forth the question.

If the earth's current rotation is lengthened by four days and that difference created the current orbit the Bible is the only source that offers a reason why and that is that the sun was created after and not before.

one thing science put forth in its hypothesis is that the sun was first, but Christians say the earth was first. But it seems to me it more is like the proverbial which came first the chicken or the egg argument?

In this case of the orbital path the only supporting conclusion of a four day difference comes from the Bible while science figures it is from an imperfect big bang.

is the sun four days off center in the solar system and why is it off?

Four days? It is intriguing when you ponder it.

a reply to: DISRAELI

they are elliptical because of their positioning to the earth (if you are a creationist).

I take that last statement back as many claim it is an optical illusion however both heliocentric views and geocentric views allow for a looping of Venus's orbit.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Not really. The bible was written by superstitious people who wouldn't know genuine science if it bit them on the nose.

You could probably make up any story and nobody can possibly prove you are wrong. Science and religion do it all the time. Science cannot figure out from this point in space over such a short period of time how anything formed. They may see out in space, but they are only seeing fifty years max if they have been observing anything that long. Now, the fact is, it took millions of years for this solar system to form and just because they see strange stuff out there and try to make sense of it doesn't mean that they can see the whole picture. It really doesn't matter how our solar system was born anyway, but to have people say they know when they can't possibly know, that kind of matters.

Maybe it would be more beneficial to sit around a campfire and drink a beer and look at the stars than work hard to pay for other people to look at the stars and tell us things that probably aren't real either. We would have more money for beer and hot dogs if we didn't have to support those guys.

No planet in our solar system has a perfect elliptic orbit. As they orbit around the sun (or earth if you are geocentric) wobble up and down as well as tracking back and forth and right to left. Sometimes (even the earth's orbit) is is slightly shorter and or slightly longer.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Semantics, the big bang is a hypothesis also.

Besides this being entirely incorrect, what does the formation of the earth have to do with the Big Bang?

a reply to: IvanAstikov

an opinon is not acceptable for proving or disproving the OP question.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Whether you are of the mind of a universal big bang or a solar big bang they are basically of the same thought.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

It carries more weight than your assertion that the bible is as valid a source of the solution to how the universe began. Still, if you want to put your faith in faith healers rather than real medical practioners, don't let stupid modern science put you off.

if the sun was not there, what would the earth orbit?

a reply to: IvanAstikov

No one said anything about medical practioners. that would beg to differnce you opinion on Christianity rather on the scientific fact that the orbit of the earth around the sun is off by four days.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Whether you are of the mind of a universal big bang or a solar big bang they are basically of the same thought.

No they aren't. There is no such thing as "solar big bang". The formation of the solar system is a COMPLETELY different scientific theory than the big bang.

Formation and evolution of the Solar System

Big Bang

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Is there an explanation in the bible, or any religious text you are aware of? If not, why even mention such written works in connection with this claim? Don't make out like it was me who brought the bible into the conversation as a reliable reference.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
I recently read that scientist know that the Earth is closer to the sun in the earths Northern Hemisphere's winter (roughly 91,300,000 miles) than it is during the Northern Hemispheres summer (roughly 94,500,000 miles). So we learn that the earth orbit around the sun is not a circle but elliptical. Allowing that the distance is approximately four days of movement off center creating the elliptical course the earth currently follows (or the universe follows depending on if your are geocentric rather than heliocentric). the measurement of four day travel is according to the time it takes the earth to travel in space for four days.

So why is it so?

Could it be the earth revolved for four days before the Sun was created creating this four day difference?

In Genesis 1:14 the sun is said to be created on the forth day.

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

So in conclusion the earth is basically off center by four days as it spun without any gravitational pull from another heavenly body until God had created the Sun. Once the sun was put in place then the orbit of the earth was established with a four day elliptical difference from a perfect circular orbit.

Your forgetting the roller derby of planetoids that slammed each other around before settling down into our present orbits.

when I read the fourth day work of God in Genesi1 14-19 another point stuck out.

without an elliptical orbit there would be no seasons. So If Moses is correct in recording the events of the six day work of God. God knew that the four day difference of the orbit would cause seasons even before the orbit was traveled a full roughly 24 hour day (23 point blah blah blah hour day).

originally posted by: IvanAstikov
a reply to: ChesterJohn

It carries more weight than your assertion that the bible is as valid a source of the solution to how the universe began. Still, if you want to put your faith in faith healers rather than real medical practioners, don't let stupid modern science put you off.

Yes do the world a favor and evolution will weed out the crazy! Lol

a reply to: Entreri06

still a hypothesis no facts to prove the roller-derby affect.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
when I read the fourth day work of God in Genesi1 14-19 another point stuck out.

without an elliptical orbit there would be no seasons. So If Moses is correct in recording the events of the six day work of God. God knew that the four day difference of the orbit would cause seasons even before the orbit was traveled a full roughly 24 hour day (23 point blah blah blah hour day).

What!?!

If you ignore all the natural laws we see except this one. While squinting and standing on your head, while covering one eye (still squinting with the other). Your right the bible matches up perfectly......

Oh forgot the most important part!!! Take 4 shots of everclear before standing on your head!!



Oh and PS the tilt on the earths axis makes the seasons not the eliptical orbit....

Man you are batting 1000!

a reply to: Entreri06

Yep. The only reason our path round the galactic centre is so collision free is because for billions of years before humans came along all the random bits of solar system and galaxy debris were absorbed by the larger planets and the sun, with a few bits actually hitting Earth. Sorry dino's, but them's the breaks. We might yet get our own extinction event before we've made an orbit of the galaxy, but hopefully we'll have developed the technology to change the orbits of such objects before one is upon us.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: flammadraco

Still just another theory which has yet to be proven true just like creation.

AGAIN creation isn't a theory. It is a hypothesis.

It's not even a hypothesis. It is unfalsifiable and makes no meaningful predictions that can be tested.