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So how does the context change what is being said in any way? Do they somehow mean something else now?
This is not a bash thread, I am only pointing out the contradictions in Christian theology to show people the error of their ways.
and as a support for your statement you quoted :
Jesus says that those who commit sin are slaves to sin and that a slave has no permanent place in the family. This means that those who sin have no place in Jesus' family, a.k.a. no admittance into heaven.
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
31So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, "If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." 33They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You will become free '?"
and you are asking
1 John 3
9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
If Jesus came to destroy the work of the devil (sin) then why do Christians admit to continuing to sin? Those who are born of God do not continue to sin according to John, yet Christians admit to sinning every day.
. Jesus removed the "curse of death" with His resurrection and reconciled man with God. That is the destruction of the devils work.
By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."
Jesus answered by saying, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and most important commandment. The second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments”
As Christians, we strive to love God with all our heart, soul, and mind, and as our hearts and minds are transformed by the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit we are able to begin to love others as ourselves. Yet we still fail to do so, which again drives us back to the cross of Christ and the hope of salvation that stems from the imputed righteousness of Christ and not from any merit of our own.
If Jesus' death destroyed the work of Satan, which is death, then why do people still die?!
If death is sin then why do Christians and others still sin?!
You have yet to prove Jesus wrong, though you seem to be trying your hardest.
originally posted by: bb23108
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Regarding your opening post, yes, Jesus spoke of being born of God and from that point on, you sin no more. Ideally, that would be the case - and of course, Jesus, as a great Master, would make such ultimate demands once someone was awakened in God.
He would never say after someone was reborn, "Aww shucks, just take your time, and try not to sin any more." What kind of Master would he be if that was is disposition?
But Jesus also understood that in practice, the process of "sinning no more" takes time for the whole body-mind to adapt to the Divine. In any moment that we are infilled by the Spirit of God, we love, and when we are not turned to God, we "miss the mark" (sin).
So Jesus gave his two great commandments, as a continuous blessing and reminder - and which can actually only be done when we are full of God's Grace to the point that we recognize we are not separate from God nor anyone. Only on the basis of such communion with God is the fulfillment of his commandments of love possible.
So fundamentally, being born of God is a moment to moment matter, and as such, allows us to love rather than miss the mark in each and every moment.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Awen24
This is a perfect example of the error in Christian theology, using Paul to override the word of Jesus and his beloved apostle.
Paul teaches no personal responsibility, sin all you want because it's not you doing the sinning, it's the sin itself. Ignore the words that Jesus and John say, listen to Paul, he gives you a free ticket to sin even though Jesus explicitly told us not to.
You've only highlighted the divide between Jesus and Paul, you haven't proven Jesus or his words wrong. Jesus says the one who sins is a slave to it and that slaves have no place in his family, Paul says he is a slave sold to sin, contradicting Jesus blatantly.
Paul contradicts Jesus on so many things it's ridiculous.
originally posted by: akushla99
Hypothetical...your wife/husband/child/very close friend who is in such extreme pain (and cannot perform the task), tells you to put them out of thier misery - are you conflicted? (Innocent question)
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: bb23108
Sorry, I agree with what you said. Being born of God is not instantaneous, it is a process that takes time, so I agree with you in that aspect, also that we are not separate from God or anyone else. When you come to this realization you cannot go on sinning because you know that to hurt or do wrong to someone else is to do the same to yourself.
I didn't feel like a reply was necessary since I agreed with you and starred your post. I wasn't ignoring you I promise.