I'll open this up here,because I'm not totally sure of what I am seeing and how official it is. I found this on another website and clicked the
link,if real,this is very interesting. It means that Russia wasn't the only one with designs on Crimea for sure. It looks as though the US was laying
out plans on what to do with all the building there once they took over. They were basically going to buy Crimea from Ukraine,kick out the
Russians,and take over the whole area as far as the ports were concerned.
Supposedly,the year before, a bunch of US officials from the armed forces had come and toured the place,INCLUDING places that were secret. It seems
that Russia has underwater ports there for their subs and such,and there was a bunch of paperwork there as well that the officials were allowed to
see,even though they weren't supposed too. Now how true this all is, I have no idea,this came from a site I have never seen before. Would help if
someone with Government experience with paperwork looked at it and saw if this is official paperwork. Here for your viewing pleasure is the
This is a pro Russia site of course,and the link is posted by someone down at the bottom of the page in the blog section. I thought it interesting and
wanted to see what all of you at ATS thought about this. Why would the US be interested in Crimea unless they thought Ukraine was going to fall before
it did? And why would they think its going to fall ? It seems they had it all lined up on what they would do with different buildings and how they
would upgrade them,and to what purpose. Weigh in and let the fighting begin, round 1.
It would greatly surprise me if all kinds of various plans had not been developed ages ago by those studying war tactics and risks. That's what
military colleges and war colleges do.
Crimea has been known and fought over since well the Crimean war, going way back when. My grade nine teacher used to go into near spasms about it. I
can't remember what about, but I do remember her spasms, lol. Yet despite all the drama, I simply have not been able to be interested in war,
manipulation of events, seizure of assets in the name of "national interest".
Back before North America was Canada/USA the Russians sent a naval fleet of 5 ships to attack the Natives on the west coast .1 ship manage to escape
the fate of the other 4 that were sunk .... Yea countries make plans for what they have and make plans for what they wish to have . We are told in
Euro/american history that the France ceded to England Canada but that is not true .We are told that Russia sold Alaska to the US but that is not true
.France never owned Canada and Russia never owned Alaska .
We have a twisted history recorded not by victors but by propaganda .
I used to haunt the museums when I was young and would read the documents the reps and religious leaders received and sent to England and France.
They planted a flag and declared it to be the property of whatever royalty the flag represented. I doubt that the indigenous people even knew about
that at the time.
I had not heard about the Russians sinking 4 ships on the west coast. Can you point me to a link about it?
BTW, I love your avatar. Do you have it made into a wall hanging, or is the avvy a pic of a wall hanging already existing?
Sorry for going off topic above.
The USA obviously found sympathizers and contacts in Crimea even if they put them there themselves. As for the plans, I do think others can be found
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Certainly an interesting find Dim! Now why would the USN be interested in a school in Crimea and snooping around the area of a Russian military
installation unless they had plans to acquire said properties for their own use? It definitely does raise a lot of questions about intent. And who
would they be dealing with in Ukraine circa 2013 which raises even more questions.
The submarine base in Balaklava was open to tours years ago and has been stripped clean. There are Youtube videos of the place! Not a secret base and
not even functional today. $5 US dollars got you into the 'super secret' sections!!! It was a secret to Russians back in the day, but not Americans.
It would cost extreme amounts of money to 'renovate' the base to put Sub's in there today...that is why Russia doesn't even use it and hasn't for a
long time. I doubt the US military was interested in it. If so not for a Sub base but possibly a protected port facility of some sort at most. The
tunnels aren't wide enough for modern Sub I believe, but I haven't measured it myself.
The other link you provided is interesting. It's true the US Gov spends money to butter up locals to allowing US base presence in the future.
Rebuilding schools with big plaques in front has been done. Your story talks about using the finished buildings for all sorts of crazy stuff like
'spying classes'. That's insane. Just a simple PR job for the Sevastopol locals.
It seems the US Navy was laying the ground work to get a naval facility somewhere in Crimea, likely extremely close to Sevastopol.
There is no doubt Russia moved quickly to secure Crimea, which doesn't hold much of value outside the Sevastopol base. Yes, some undrilled Oil but
even that isn't 'proven' Oil anyway. Russia may very well have been aware of US moves in the Yanukovych government to get space in Crimea. After the
Maiden revolution Russia was 100% certain the US would be putting a base in Crimea eventually. That would control the whole Black Sea area for the
Good evidence of US Navy planning.
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This is the closest I could find .en.wikipedia.org... I am not sure where I first read the story and it may have been on a
native site .My avtar is from turtle island news network . www.theturtleislandnews.com... I got it off the images on google and I see they have
a different version (turtle/north america) now . I am still going to see if I can find the original story on that naval battle .Like I said there can
be a few different versions to the past and what we have today may change in the future to better fit someone need for it to and really have nothing
to do with the truth .....peace
That makes sense. Russia gifted Crimea to Ukraine when they joined the USSR. Then when Ukraine goes for independence, Russia wants Crimea back. That
makes sense. War games are played using a strategy of mini-max (minimum loss for maximum gain - give a score to every event that can happen in terms
of political influence; +10 points for gaining control of an uninhabited island, +10,000 for an oil field or airfield, +1 million for a whole country,
-100 billion for getting nuked)
So each side would try and make small advances each time, letting world opinion die down before making the next move.
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