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originally posted by: EvilBat
All religion needs to be left out of politics, it should not even be brought up. If you are religious keep it to yourself. If you act like like this guy. Should be removed.
@ Gryphon66 - I asked about the other party and having those tings go on because I think it would be in interesting paper. How many of our elected officials see demons/angels/djinn/satan/god /brownies/fairies/ what else could be inserted.
Would be interesting to see the numbers .
Based on what you've read, do you find the excuse of "protecting religious freedom" a reasonable justification before the law for allowing delusional beliefs to interfere in child care, as we see here?
originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
a reply to: Gryphon66
Based on what you've read, do you find the excuse of "protecting religious freedom" a reasonable justification before the law for allowing delusional beliefs to interfere in child care, as we see here?
Absolutely not, in fact, when it comes to child care, it tends to be much more harmful than helpful. Children have been killed by religious types trying to "chase out demons." In January a Maryland mother stabbed her four children to death in the belief they were possessed. There is no shortage of such examples. Not only can such beliefs cause direct harm or death to children under the care of parents in these delusional beliefs, the children have to live with emotional scars for a long time. Not all, mind you, but too many than should.
Rational, evidence-based science and child welfare should take precedence over "religious freedom," but that'll never happen in this country, I'm afraid.
originally posted by: amazing
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: amazing
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: amazing
In response to some previous posts on this thread, most, probably 99%, of these lunatic Fundamentalist Christians are republicans. It is a valid point in this thread and all of these political discussions.
This guy should go to prison for child abuse, the politician and his wife.
So yeah, this is a republican problem. Politics and Christianity shouldn't mix. Take Ben Carson for example and this guy as another example. He used his outdated religious beliefs to abuse little girls and then used his Republican political clout to do whatever he wanted to do.
Demonic possession in Children?
I've taught kids for over 15 years and have yet to see this. Ever.
Christian/Republican lunatics. We don't need em.
"Christian Republican lunatics. We don't need em."
Your suggestion?
Genocide?
One party rule?
Only atheists allowed to vote?
Make lists of all church/mosque/temple goers and deny them the vote?
We should just vote them out of office. Then we need to make sure that we do have this separation of Church and state. They're already trying to turn Oklahoma into a Christian Caliphate of some kind. Next we need to enact tough laws so that when Christians or other religions lunatics, commit crimes like this against children, they get punished severely. No more hiding behind religion. Then we need to be honest with ourselves. Conservative is a code name for Christian and Republican is a code name for Christian. Both of those statements are true 99% of the time.
They,,,, them,,,, we need to enact tough laws so that when Christians....
go and read the statements Hitler and his sycophants made about Jews and the anti-Jewish rhetoric before WWII
Change the word Jewish for Christian, in those rants about Jews, then look in the mirror.
You don't think it's a problem that he was a Christian? It was his beliefs in demonic possession in little girls and the power he had as a politician that were the root cause of this.
So hang on. We're in a thread about a man in a position of power who is clearly religiously insane, and is a symptom of something that runs deeply through the religious right. Someone says "we shouldn't have religious nutjobs in government" and your response to this is to cry persecution? No one said remove sane people from power. But more and more over the last few decades, we've seen fundamentalists (with emphasis on the "mentalists") in seats of authority, and it needs to end. If you really want people like the sicko this thread is about in power, if you really want to hide psychopaths behind a veil of persecution, you have some serious issues.
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: amazing
In response to some previous posts on this thread, most, probably 99%, of these lunatic Fundamentalist Christians are republicans. It is a valid point in this thread and all of these political discussions.
This guy should go to prison for child abuse, the politician and his wife.
So yeah, this is a republican problem. Politics and Christianity shouldn't mix. Take Ben Carson for example and this guy as another example. He used his outdated religious beliefs to abuse little girls and then used his Republican political clout to do whatever he wanted to do.
Demonic possession in Children?
I've taught kids for over 15 years and have yet to see this. Ever.
Christian/Republican lunatics. We don't need em.
"Christian Republican lunatics. We don't need em."
Your suggestion?
Genocide?
One party rule?
Only atheists allowed to vote?
Make lists of all church/mosque/temple goers and deny them the vote?
Sterilize everyone who attends church/mosque/temple and deny them the right to adopt?
You can't just make a statement like that and not have
an agenda behind it. What is your agenda?
It is not, perhaps, "typical" of Republicans/Christians, but it is essentially "exclusive to".
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: amazing
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: amazing
originally posted by: grandmakdw
originally posted by: amazing
In response to some previous posts on this thread, most, probably 99%, of these lunatic Fundamentalist Christians are republicans. It is a valid point in this thread and all of these political discussions.
This guy should go to prison for child abuse, the politician and his wife.
So yeah, this is a republican problem. Politics and Christianity shouldn't mix. Take Ben Carson for example and this guy as another example. He used his outdated religious beliefs to abuse little girls and then used his Republican political clout to do whatever he wanted to do.
Demonic possession in Children?
I've taught kids for over 15 years and have yet to see this. Ever.
Christian/Republican lunatics. We don't need em.
"Christian Republican lunatics. We don't need em."
Your suggestion?
Genocide?
One party rule?
Only atheists allowed to vote?
Make lists of all church/mosque/temple goers and deny them the vote?
We should just vote them out of office. Then we need to make sure that we do have this separation of Church and state. They're already trying to turn Oklahoma into a Christian Caliphate of some kind. Next we need to enact tough laws so that when Christians or other religions lunatics, commit crimes like this against children, they get punished severely. No more hiding behind religion. Then we need to be honest with ourselves. Conservative is a code name for Christian and Republican is a code name for Christian. Both of those statements are true 99% of the time.
They,,,, them,,,, we need to enact tough laws so that when Christians....
go and read the statements Hitler and his sycophants made about Jews and the anti-Jewish rhetoric before WWII
Change the word Jewish for Christian, in those rants about Jews, then look in the mirror.
You don't think it's a problem that he was a Christian? It was his beliefs in demonic possession in little girls and the power he had as a politician that were the root cause of this.
Never said or implied that.
I withdraw from this thread, you all have become far too bigoted in your remarks about Christians and Republicans and have implied with too much glee that this behavior is typical of most Republicans and Christians in general. I find your bigotry and prejudice so offensive as to be speechless.
originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
originally posted by: uncommitted
originally posted by: MisterSpock
Odd how the wife could "see demons" yet handed them off to a child molester that had been in their employment.....at a daycare.
Intelligence, it's something that is sorely lacking in society, at every turn you see it's devastating effects.
ETA: I'm assuming child neglect and endangerment charges are soon to follow.....I won't hold my breath. He should be locked away in prison and his batty wife should be doing a tour at the local mental health facility.
Although this is a frankly weird and sad story, there is nothing I can see that shows the rapist was a known rapist or child molester previous to the offence taking place - am I missing something?
I believe what Mr. Spock was referring to was the wife (Marsha Harris) claimed she could see demons in the two little girls, yet when the family sent the girls to live with Francis, the wife inexplicably didn't see any 'demons' in him (and surely if anyone had demons, it would be the child's rapist).
What I find inexcusable is that when Justin Harris went to the press conference (and this is after the rape had occurred) he could only admit that he fired Francis for his poor work record, yet never bothered to mention the rape or that he sent his daughter to live with the rapist. "Oh I fired that guy for poor work attendance. Oh, and did I mention that I sent my adopted daughter to live with the guy and that he raped her? Yeah, that too. That second thing always slips my mind"