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Area 51 and America?

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posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 08:37 AM
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Why do people continue to deny Area 51 exists even when we know its there, What do they really work on aswell like someone else refered to why is it always in america? I coudlnt imagine it being aliens or there would be more in the other countrys not just America? Does anyone actually know whats going on there?




posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 09:03 AM
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The Area 51 facility has been there for many years, but the governement always denies its existance why is this???
We all know its there, so why keep a secret
Rumour has it that the AREA 51 facility has been moved to the utah facility

New Area 51

This could help if it works

Bio-Haz



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 09:19 AM
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Hmm, how is Google going to help us unlock the mysteries of Area 51? Do you have links to more specific information? I think the only thing going on there is the testing of top secrect military aircraft. We will know soon enough.

[edit on 18-12-2004 by Mephorium]



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 09:21 AM
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im only trying to give you the proof that the AREA 51 facility has been moved to UTAH callifonia.

But if it has been moved then why is there still a high level of security at the diss used base if nothings there????????



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 09:30 AM
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Proof? How? By giving me a link to the Google search engine? That is the equivalent of telling me to conduct my own search. Look deeper and research. When you find something of interest; a question that has not had a thread started about it; a new angle; anything different, then post it.



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 09:43 AM
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You want some evidence then here is is.........

The area 51 facility is owned by a private corpoartion. It could be infact the government that the president has no control over.
The same as the AREA S4 facility and all other facilitys in the USA.

Area 51 had 27 levels underground, 16-27 are not man made, but levels 1-15 are man made by the government.

Why put area 51 in the middle of a desert and i no what you are going to say, because it remote and no one will go there.

If the government says its not there then why all the millitary presence??
You cannot go into the air space or you will be escorted off, you cannot go onto the land, because you can face a prision sentance or shot on site. Also according to one of my source in the US said that the facility has been moved and he has tryed to gain access onto the nervada site but he has been escorted off by security.



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 10:04 AM
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Well, look at it this way. If A51 is a test site for new military aircraft (which seems likely) then why would they tell us about it? You see, when A51 was created, we didn't have all these nice satelites combing every inch of the Earth like we do now. It was far out, remote..people shouldn't be able to find it with much ease. So of course, they wouldn't achnowledge its existence.

Later on when it could no longer be denied, there was only one option left for the govt. They must deny it further. If they were to say "yeah, we lied. Our wrong" then there would be alotta whining and they would have to tell us what that site is all about n whatnot. But, if the deny the obvious, they can just continue on their merry way.

Now, assuming A51 isn't a place where UFOs and aliens are kept, nor is the NEW A51, but just some other type of military instalation, then the public still couldn't just stroll up onto their base. The perimeter would be guarded and intruders would be picked up and escorted off the property, at very least. I mean, what militay base do you know of that you can break into and the govt won't care?

This is the age we live in, people generally don't even care about conspiracy related topics. The average mindset is "It doesn't affect me now, I can do nothing about it so why worry? Life goes on." With such thinking, of course they deny its existence and get away with it. It's totally a non-issue.

Until it become blindingly obvious (to us all) that our lives are directly affected by such secrecy in a negative way, nothing will change. I won't even hold my breath for a map being created by a mainstream corporation which shows the location of any of these obviously real bases on them. Maybe our Great Great Grandchilderen will be able to go to A51 type places when it is a museum. Though, that'll be a non-event as well. They'll probably just look at that shiney UFO much as you or I would look at a Spitfire sitting outside of a World War Museum. Not a great deal of interest there.



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 11:13 AM
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you guys do know that the gov. no longer denies it's there. they had to in a court case. that's why there are all those signs that say
WARNING
MILITARY INSTALLATION
IT IS UNLAWFULL TO ENTER THIS INSTALLATION WITHOUT THE WRITTEN PERMISSION OF THE INSTALLATION CAMMANDER
INSTALLATION COMMANDER
AUTHORITY: Internal Security Act, 50
U.S.C 797
PUNISHMENT: Up to one year imprisonment
and a $5,000. fine


it's there and the Gov. knows it

[edit on 18-12-2004 by Velvet1717]

[edit on 18-12-2004 by Velvet1717]



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 02:35 PM
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Agreed. The goverment have told people it's there, because everyone really knows about it's existance, what they won't say is what is in there!

Bio Hazard Bob, your first reply was pointless, it just repeated the original post, and then you linked to google...

Area 51



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 02:43 PM
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The goverment has admitted there is a installation at Groom lake after a lawsuit brought forth by workers that got sick working there. They do not say it is called Area 51 or anything eles besides that there is a base out there.

About them moving Area 51 dont believe the hype activity has increased there since the PM article that started the whole Area 51 shut down thing.

[edit on 18-12-2004 by ShadowXIX]



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 03:13 PM
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right, isn't that where the guy was exposed to a chemical but they never told them what the chemical was, and he wasn't allowed to use a gas mask he could only buy his own gloves. and in the file records they never used his name he and everyone else were just John Dough like 1-7 or something like that ?

any way the gov knows it's there they just don't talk about it

someone should write a letter or something

or have we already done that?



posted on Dec, 18 2004 @ 03:47 PM
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Velvet1717 your thinking of the right case they never did tell those guys what they had been exposed too, One or Two people even died as a result. The were diggin big pits putting toxic waste in them and burning it. In the case the goverment called it "the Air Force's Operating Location Near Groom Lake, Nevada"



Then Clinton signed Presidential Determination No. 95-45 which pretty much makes Area 51 exempt from any Federal, State, interstate or local
provision respecting control and abatement of solid waste or
hazardous waste disposal. So they can burn or do anything they want with the stuff



posted on Dec, 19 2004 @ 07:24 AM
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but didn't it take a while for people to get it out of them to just say that there is something out there



posted on Dec, 19 2004 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Velvet1717
but didn't it take a while for people to get it out of them to just say that there is something out there


Yeah even when the case started they were still denying it existed. The lawyer was like I can take you out to the base and show you it to the judge.

I mean they have pictures of the base hard to deny that type of evidence in court but they still tried.



posted on Dec, 19 2004 @ 02:52 PM
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right but how long did it take for them to say it was there and like why didn't they just keep denying it?



posted on Dec, 19 2004 @ 03:02 PM
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The Stealth aircraft were tested at area 51 and were officially disavowed by the government until they were used in desert storm. The next generations of ultra high performance aircraft from Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman will be being tested now. All payed for under the 'black budget', as freely admitted by air force personnell in the Fox Doco on Stealth aircraft...

Research and development of new aircraft propultion systems including antigravitational systems is also reportedly carried out at the S4 bunker at Papoose Lake by the 554th Operations and Maintenance Squadron...

It might be sensible, at this stage, to note the existence of several texts on the question of future propulsion systems for flying discs written in the 1950s. One of these, entitled “Electrogravitics Systems” mentions a research project called “Project Winterhaven” undertaken in 1952 in order to validate Thomas Townsend Browns’ “Biefeld-Brown” effect. The report in question makes for fascinating reading and states that:

“Using a number of assumptions as to the nature of gravity, the report postulated a saucer as the basis of a possible interceptor with Mach 3 capability. Creation of a local gravitational system would confer upon the fighter the sharp-edged changes of motion typical in space.”

And that:

“Glenn Martin say gravity control could be achieved in six years, but they add that it would entail a Manhattan District type effort to bring it about.”

This report was kept away from public view for some 35 years by Air Force Aeronautical Laboratories at Wright Patterson AFB, it was declassified and made available through the Technical Library in the early 1990s.

Circular craft corresponding to descriptions of UFO's have been tested by the facility since the 50's

users.ez2.net...



posted on Dec, 19 2004 @ 03:11 PM
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there are no aliens at groom lake!


Xon

posted on Dec, 19 2004 @ 05:42 PM
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Here is the real facts:
Area 51 is a facillity where they Test new (secret) planes! (Like when u2 was Tested) There is No alien at area 51. Area 51 has NOT moved. The goverment does NOT deney it exist, but doent like talking about it.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 12:25 AM
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i'am very curious to know more about A - 51 nevada does it have something in connection with aliens. why is the fact being hidden for so long by the govt.

please somebody reply me on my mail id : vinod_2409@yahoo.co.in



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by Bio Hazard Bob
The Area 51 facility has been there for many years, but the governement always denies its existance why is this???
We all know its there, so why keep a secret
Rumour has it that the AREA 51 facility has been moved to the utah facility

New Area 51

This could help if it works

Bio-Haz


I must say that IF they have moved to the Utah facility, there is a lot of activity going on and a growing strenght of security around the "abandoned" Area 51 for it to make any scense if you ask me.

Ofcourse they wouldn't want everyday people to run all over the place, but still....

Just a thought thou, who knows? And why have daily flights and busses in and out to a base thats not operational?

But who am I to know..



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