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originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: Anyafaj
So your child saw the badman and then you got a photo and you're still not a full on "believer?" Heh, I sympathize, it took some drastic measures from the "other side"... whatever the heck that means... before I realized all those legends and ubiquitous beliefs around the world about spirits (or plasma beings) were valid... or at the least, pointing to an occurring phenomena.
We're taught that only an ignoramus would "believe" in spooks... but seeing and/or experiencing is believing... or at the least, believing somethings are not as we think they are.
Behind the bills and errands, it is a deeply weird world we inhabit... quantum physics backs that up... and them some.
Dunno, you seem like a smart one... maybe you'll figure it out... I haven't done any better than the average psychic or spiritualist from the 1800's so far, myself... oh, and get some sleep... heh.
originally posted by: peter vlar
originally posted by: Anyafaj
Did the OIN have Mohawks at all in the very early days? Or just the Mohawk Indians? Just curious if it was possibly an OIN.
BTW, I don't think you're coming off as smarty pants at all. I think your knowledge is invaluable! Thank you for your help! Truly!
The Oneida Indian Nation was always a separate entity from the Mohawks farther east. This divide became even deeper in the days after the French and Indian War leading up to the American Revolution as the Iroquois started to pick sides. Joseph Brant who was Chief of the Mohawks and a friend of Sir William Johnson sided, to their detriment, with the British while the Oneida backed the fledgling United States. While the Iroquois are more well known as being a confederacy of separate nations who banded together for both trade purposes and a huge influence on the US Constitution, they are first and foremost a language group. The interconnectedness of this language group led them to band together to keep at bay warring Algonquin's who essentially surrounded them in the North across the St. Lawrence, to the east in Massachusetts, Vermont, Connecticut, South Eastern NY(From around Kingston down to present day NYC) and to the West in Ohio, Michigan and Wisconson. The Iroquois were an island amongst greater numbers of equally ferocious warriors and while no set date is known for the beginning of the Confederacy, it was intact prior to European colonization and typically based on archaeological evidence it is thought to have come into being between 1450 and 1600. Each tribe however, maintained their separate identity and languages despite Mohawk being used at all large or formal gatherings. The lands of the Mohawk and Oneida bordered each other out near what is now Herkimer so they would have had more frequent contact with each other than the Mohawk would with say the Cayuga whose land was out in the Finger Lakes region.