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What are Republicans and Democrats?

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posted on Mar, 9 2015 @ 11:57 PM
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When I do a Google search of, "What does a Democrat/Republican stand for?", I get the following responses for each query:

Republican: 1. A person advocating or supporting republican government.
Democrat : 1. An advocate or supporter of democracy.

I consider myself more of a conservative than anything else. So I also queried Google as to what Conservatives and Liberals stand for. This was the response:

Conservative: 1. Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

Liberal: 1. Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.


So in essence, I seek to understand what exactly each side of the aisle stand for. I'm hoping this thread might be educational to ATS members when it comes to understanding the views of other people.

So I ask that members of ATS to explain what their respective beliefs are and to remain respectful of opposing opinions. I'm hoping to learn a bit about conservatism that I don't know. As well as learn about why liberals hold true to their beliefs.




posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 12:03 AM
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Since I'm asking what other's beliefs are, I thought it right I should share my own.

I believe that the federal government should play as small of a role as possible in our lives. I believe that everyone should be taxed as little as possible. I believe that immigration should be followed through with by the existing laws on the books. I believe that every person should be accountable for themselves and their actions. Meaning, I shouldn't have to be taxed to supplement your status of living unless circumstances dictate that your need is dire.

I also believe that this war on drugs is ridiculous. I believe that everything from clove to schedule 1 drugs ought to be legalized. I believe that everyone has the right to have a home, food, and the means to care for a family.

Those are just a few.
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posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 12:14 AM
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2 ideologically opposed groups of people whose sole purpose in life is to punish each others existence by violating or outright stripping the individual rights of the constituents their respective groups answer to.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 12:19 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

I really seek to understand the ideological differences between the two. I have beliefs that fall on both sides of the aisle. And the two sides, for so many years, have fundamentally fought each other, that the fight has become more indoctrination than that of personal belief.

Hence my question of why people believe the way they do, and what is the distinction between the sides.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 12:44 AM
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Brainwashed fools.

Plain and simple.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 12:44 AM
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I feel like they are all groups that have fallen for a distraction put in place to keep people fighting amongst themselves.

...While being robbed blind by all of them through excess taxes, laws, regulations, rules for the sheep, insider trading, bribery etc, etc, etc...

Strictly theater used to pretend there is an actual difference and a choice.

Just watch the following people hash it out, it will prove my point.

This thread should get good. Although I see a lot of people on ats awakening to this game.

The R's are so much better than the D's 'cause bla, bla bla



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 01:13 AM
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I like to call them Mutual Assured Distraction. They are basically the same with different memes that everyone wants to soapbox about but no one can agree on.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 02:27 AM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace
When I do a Google search of, "What does a Democrat/Republican stand for?", I get the following responses for each query:

Republican: 1. A person advocating or supporting republican government.
Democrat : 1. An advocate or supporter of democracy.

I consider myself more of a conservative than anything else. So I also queried Google as to what Conservatives and Liberals stand for. This was the response:

Conservative: 1. Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

Liberal: 1. Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.


So in essence, I seek to understand what exactly each side of the aisle stand for. I'm hoping this thread might be educational to ATS members when it comes to understanding the views of other people.

So I ask that members of ATS to explain what their respective beliefs are and to remain respectful of opposing opinions. I'm hoping to learn a bit about conservatism that I don't know. As well as learn about why liberals hold true to their beliefs.



In one word....idiots.

Both are like religious extremists, but to a gov perspective.

Both think they are the only true way, both think the other stupid evil inept hypocritical etc...

When in fact both are in equal measures.

Both are the problem neither is the solution.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 02:31 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

Liberals believe we are our brothers keeper in all instances.

Conservatives believe we are our brothers keeper only after that brother has tried and failed.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 02:35 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

Politicians

I believe a Scottish quote:

What is the similarity between a politician an a “comfort women” They are both there to take your money.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 02:55 AM
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Both parties are the same. They are big government progressives.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 03:40 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

Two of your beliefs seem to counter one another. On the one hand you believe that you should not be taxed to supplement another's way of life unless their need is dire. On the other hand you believe that people have some basic rights to have a home, food, and the means to care for a family. The number of people who can afford to do that on the sort of wage that the majority of people get, is small. When a thirteen hour a day job is not enough to feed, clothe, and home a family, what use is it for people to qualify their lack of willingness to be taxed by saying "only for those in the direst need"?

Surely that applies to the only people actually getting help with anything, especially in a nation which has such a lack of compassion for hardworking poor folk at the government level?


edit on 10-3-2015 by TrueBrit because: Added clarification



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 04:33 AM
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I consider myself a liberal and socialist.

I believe in a strong central government, high taxation, welfare services for the needy a strong infrastructure, police departments, fire departments, EMS services, FREE EDUCATION for everyone.

I believe in science and not books written by cave dwellers 2000 years ago.
I accept change and I'm not afraid of it.
I don't think being gay is a choice.
I believe Women should have the choice whether to have a baby or not.
I believe Immigrants are what made this country great and I'm not afraid to let young people that were brought here as babies make something out of themselves in this country.
I believe that you don't create a strong middle class by giving more tax breaks to corporations and millionaires and expect it to trickle down.
I believe health care should be a right and not something only for those fortunate enough to afford it.
I'd rather invest in our education system instead of continuing to fund Israel's national defense.
I believe in safety nets for my fellow countrymen.

I'm sure I could come up with more but it's 4:30 A.M. and I'm tired. Good night.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 05:35 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

I should've clarified a bit as you're right, it is a bit contradictory. When I look down my neighborhood during the days I'm off work, and during the night, I see the same people home constantly. These people are abled body folk who don't work. How do I know that? I've seen these people out mowing yards, washing cars, carrying in 60" televisions, shoveling snow, etc. These same people drive 2014-15 vehicles, buy high end electronics, hundreds of dollars of groceries a week, and who knows what else. In the meanwhile, I bust my ass working 50+ hours a week to keep afloat while driving a 13 year old vehicle and cautiously budgeting everything I do. It's frustrating to look at my paycheck and see 20% of it gone to help supplement their living off of. Also, wouldn't it help these people to be able to pay as little as possible in taxes as possible? I look at government waste, and I think to myself of how many times my taxes could be decreased if the government had a balanced budget and stopped blowing money everywhere.

On the other hand, I have no problem seeing that go to help a family that's willing, but unable to work. The key word was dire in my post.


As to the OP, I'm not really referring to current politicians. We all know they're one in the same and serve no one but their masters. I'm after the root of those political terms. Behind them, originally, are different fundamental beliefs. I'd like to explore what those were before they were distorted, or if they ever were something more than today.

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posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 06:38 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

where do you live? I want those those kinds of benifits because in the real world what you are describes simply does not exist.

Nice try tho.

But food stamps can't be swapped for a 2014-2015 vehicle, and i highly doubt such a *subsitized family* can afford new electronics ect with living expenses being as rediculous as it is.

I bet the families you are referring to probs have a buisness or something lol.

Here in Canada, Welfare checks get you 650$ Canadian every month. Which isn't even enough to cover rent for a 1 bedroom apartment.

Which is why i know you are touting B.S.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 07:13 AM
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a reply to: AnuTyr

Section 8: covers rent
Food Stamps: covers food (600+ a month and that's a low ball estimate)
ACA: Covers Health Insurance
Cash Assistance: Straight up cash every two weeks

I've personally seen food stamps sold and EBT cards charged for cash.

Don't tell me it's not possible and that it's not done.

Just to clarify, I have no problem with that kind of assistance going to a family who's parents are unable to work, or temporarily going to unemployed. What I have a problem with is that kind of assistance going to the flat out lazy folks in the world.
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posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 07:23 AM
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I am 56 years old and have watched politics all my life. Dems and Reps have changed little, most of the change has been in republicans that I have seen. Basically you can break them down this way. Democrats for the most part are socially concious and tend to do things for the poor. Republicans on the other hand tend to give everything to the rich. Both parties are corporatists but the republicans. Generally you can see their motivation, take for instance the EPA and the issue of global warming. Big companies are against it because it costs them money and reduces profits. Republicans are big business so almost every republican will rail against the idea of climate change not because it doesn't exist but because it doesn't fit their interests.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 07:28 AM
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a reply to: damwel

Have you seen any change in what a Republican/Democrat stood for thirty years ago compared to today? I've done some reading about it, but it's hard to get an accurate description unless you ask someone who has experienced it.



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

I think that when you strip away all ideological trappings, you end up with 2 sides.

One side seeing the Constitution and Bill of Rights as a "living document" meant to be changed and reinterpreted as time goes on.

The other side sees these documents as something more concrete.

We see this in the 1st Amendment, with political correctness and with the 2nd Amendment (constantly).



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 07:54 AM
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What the politcal parties are is really a function of time.

In 2015, the Republicans are better organized at a state and national level, can stay on message, but have adopted a basically negative extremist message (against this, against that) and seem to have no practical ideas.

In 2015 the Democrats are all over the place ideologically, have no will to fight it out at the local, State and national level, and depend on the generally inclusive ideologies of liberalism, and yes, to some degree intellectualism and elitism, to attract (and keep voters).

The rest is mostly rhetoric and window dressing.




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