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How to Become a Conservative in Four Embarrassing Steps

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posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: stormson

I like what you had to say until you got here:

vote 3rd party and throw your vote away. granted you are laying the foundation for a 3rd, but in reality you wasted you vote.


So basically, after that insightful post, your conclusion is just a rehash of the "lesser of two evils" trope.




posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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I think I'm going to start the "It's none of your business" party.

Here's why:

1) I'm pro-gun because I enjoy shooting and I feel that self defense is a basic right. The first step of all tyrants has been to get rid of their subject's means to defend themselves. Firearms maintain a (somewhat) level playing field and I enjoy them. If I want to have guns, leave me the hell alone about it. It's none of your business.

2) I'm pro-choice because it's a woman's right to choose what happens with her own body. It's no one else's business so leave her the hell alone if she has to make that difficult choice. It's none of your business.

3) I'm pro-gay marriage because, frankly, I don't give a solid damn what people do in their own homes if it's not hurting anyone else. Homosexuals have just as much right as the rest of us to be miserable so leave them the hell alone. It's none of your business.

4) I'm pro-legalization. Marijuana is massively beneficial to a lot of people and massively fun to a lot more. The worst that can happen from an overdose is the person freaks out for a little while. If a person is destined to become a drug addict, they'll find a way with or without MJ so the "gateway drug" nonsense is laughable. The worst (possible, still unproven) side effects from MJ (short term memory loss, etc) pale in comparison to the side effects caused by extremely common substances we come into contact with every day AND the vaccines given to children. If someone wants to use cannabis, leave them the hell alone. It's none of your business.

5) My party will take a slight turn away from the "it's none of your business" policy to propose changes that bring our current wealth inequality under control and promote a strong middle class. The economy is important to everyone.

6) The Affordable Healthcare Act will be replaced by a system of free healthcare for all and measures to protect physicians from litigation. Free clinics/hospitals will have long wait times but that's the frustration people have to deal with if they want something for free. Health insurance will still be available to those who choose to pay for it and that insurance will enable policy holders to use private clinics with shorter wait times and a more personalized level of care. Anyone who has health insurance will receive a substantial tax break for not using the government-supplied healthcare system. Free healthcare will be paid for by trimming fat from existing social programs with audits that will expose widescale abuse of the system. Healthy individuals will receive job training and child daycare stipends that will enable them to find employment instead of simply receiving welfare. Healthy young people will no longer be able to sit at home and receive a government check. As the middle class grows stronger thanks to number 5, the demand for jobs will increase. We have to get people out of this bind of "if I find a job and make minimum wage, I can't pay for my child's daycare, healthcare, and the rest of my bills so it's easier to stay at home and live off of the govn't." This seems to go against the "it's none of your business" policy but the health of our economy depends on limiting social programs without tossing people to the wolves.

7) Now I'm dreaming but the CIA will be immediately reigned in and all foreign operations will come under strict review. Current intel will be analyzed and the covert meddling in the affairs of foreign nations will cease immediately. An olive branch will be extended to Russia and the rest of the global community to let them know America has changed. The current conflicts will be sorted out as peacefully as possible and a new era of global cooperation in all endeavors will result in technological developments that change the world. Defense spending will no longer be such a priority so most of that money can be funneled into other projects.

Sorry for the wall of text, I was on a roll.



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Answer

Can I be your campaign manager? Chief of Staff?



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd
I just can't help myself. In fact I wish I could time this to come out first thing in the am on the East Coast of the US.

www.alternet.org...

An opinion piece with research to back up it's premises. It's also fits in with my oberservations over the years regarding most, but certainly not all, self-identified conservatives. I do think similar 'defects' are at work in some progressives and have met some of those as well but not to the same extent.

Now before I quote from the article I want you to be aware that the bracketed numbers in the text refer to the extensive footnotes to the article (a progressive trait) that you can follow-up on should you wish.


The four ways:



1. Ignore Facts


Who's 'facts' exactly? Man's or God's? People IN GENERAL tend to gloss over what they don't take to heart.


2. Make Up Your Own Facts


Again, this applies in a general way, and is not endemic to any one sub-group.


3. Display No Empathy for Others

Conservatives tend to blame poor people for their own misfortunes.


Being raised a poor person most of my life, I can say from personal experience that most people that are poor, are poor because of their own actions, or lack thereof. Usually the latter. Probably less than 20% probably closer to 15% of poor people are there through no fault of their own, or through little fault. Here's a fact for ya, although you'd have to, you know, actually go out and talk to people; most homeless people are homeless by choice. Of course, they'll tell you whatever they think you want to hear, unless your homeless too, then the truth comes out.


and my personal favorite:



4. Shout Down Your Opponents


All that is human emotional response. Everyone overreacts. Please do not act like you are immune, nor in some way 'better,' because your not.



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: CharlesT




Your long term memory needs a little refreshing. The deep south had been fanatically democratic until just the past 10 years or so when they realized that the national democratic party had abandoned and betrayed their constituents values and religious beliefs. You must realize that the deep south has historically been a deeply christian society.


You must be trying to prove the OP correct. And you have done a fine job of it.

With that you have

1. Ignore Facts
2. Make Up Your Own Facts
deep south


In case you can't read that the voting switched in 1964 not 10 years ago.
Seems my long term memory is just fine yours however.




Being a voting member of the Democratic party was a deeply held long lasting tradition in the south until just recently.


Ahemm.






You speak from ignorance when you believe the deep south has always been republican. Maybe conservative but definitely not republican. That idea couldn't be any further from the truth.


There is step number.

4. Shout Down Your Opponents

If nothing else works, belligerence will. Many of the top right-wingers use this strategy.

So you have just proven step 1, 2, and 4 from the OP.




My bad. I reread your post and realized you did not mention any particular party but what I said here still holds true.



Yeah I know you were building a strawman from things I never said however you were not doing a very good job because you were making up facts as you went.

A couple people even gave you stars meaning they were as clueless as you.

Thank you for demonstrating the OP next time try to fit in number 3 while you are at it.


As I already stated previously.

Until the late 20th century the party had a powerful conservative and populist wing based in the rural South, which over time has greatly diminished.

www.ask.com...



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: Answer

I'm literally speechless. A real libertarian still lives.

Come up with a way to maintain the infrastructure (roads, interstates, utility grid, public safety, border and international defense) ... And you have your second voter.
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posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 08:41 PM
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Liberals: Please, PLEASE stay out of my wallet.

Conservatives: Please, PLEASE stay out of my bedroom.

/endthread



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:15 PM
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How to become a Liberal in 4 easy steps:

White people are racist. Everything they do has racial/sexist undertones. So when they present an argument, always remember, they must be doing it for some racist or sexist reason, even regardless of facts and numbers. If you are a White man attempting to become a Liberal, you have to prove you are not racist by calling out the bad past acts of ONLY WHITE PEOPLE. You must also continuously and actively prove you are not racist by advocating for different non-white groups.

2. Preach to everyone that redistribution of wealth is a good thing. Completely disregard the histories of the people who are doing well for themselves, even if they took out student loans and worked full time while going to school full time to get a useful and practical degree so they can have a well paying job. Completely ignore that because there are people who simply don't want to work or take advantage of government resources that are specifically designed to help them find employment. You aren't allowed to suggest people should work if they want a good life, unless they are White people, they should have to because they have white privilege. And White people are racist.

3. Be hypocritical in virtually everything you say and do. Examples include: telling everyone else their kids need to lay off the calories and eat food that doesn't taste good because it's unhealthy, while your own kids eats three course gourmet professionally prepared meals everyday at their private school. Telling people that their kids should not be protected by trained armed guards for protection while your kids go to a private school with dozens of armed security guards. Telling White people they don't need a gun for self defense and no one really wants to hurt them while driving around in an armored motor cade with dozens if not hundreds of armed security guards 24/7. Telling people they need to use more fuel efficient vehicles to get around to save the environment while taking a private Boeing 747 on several trips around the world yearly for extravagent vacations. Refusing to call Middle Easterners who systematically and rituallistically behead people of another faith simply for being another faith terrorists, while at the same time saying trained honorable American veterans terrorists simply because they have different values than yourself and have their own idea on how government should run . These are all just a tiny fractions of the way YOU can be a hypocrite and assist your being a Liberal.

4. White people are racist.



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: chuck258

I'm a liberal overall.

I don't believe that "white people" are racist. Some are, many aren't. Some "black people" are racist, as are some "red people" and "brown people" and "yellow people" and etc. etc.

I myself try to ignore "racial colors" whenever possible. Race is superficial and arguably, is only a social construct.

I advocate for equal treatments before the law. I do not argue that "all are equal" because that is patent nonsense.

I've never once preached about the redistribution of wealth.

No one I've ever known has preached about the redistribution of wealth except conservatives and Republicans.

Hypocrites are hypocrites. They're not limited to any political persuasion.

Everyone could do with a smaller intake of daily calories, particularly if they're having weight problems; that's not liberal, that's just a scientific fact.

I've never told anyone, white black purple or green, that they shouldn't own firearms if they wanted to.

I don't see a problem with using fuel-efficient vehicles. I don't have a problem calling terrorists terrorists wherever they are to be found.

Based on my personal evidence regarding myself and all the other liberals that I personally know, I'd say your position here is ludicrously one-sided, utterly asinine, and pointedly dishonest.

That may have been your intention, if so, beg pardon.



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

So we should base all aspects of liberalism on you?

So one person can define an entire ideology?

Golly.



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Gryphon66

So we should base all aspects of liberalism on you?

So one person can define an entire ideology?

Golly.


Can you quote where I stated you should base anything "aspects of liberalism" on me?

Do I claim to define "an entire ideology?"

Gee ... I can't find any of that in my post, can you?

I stated what I know to be true, which invalidates the load of partisan tripe that I responded to.

I know that what actual liberals believe or think or hold to be true is irrelevant when a conservative wants to tell us what we believe, think, or hold to be true....

... so much for that freedom of speech you're supposed to hold in such dear regard, eh Beezy?
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posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Gryphon66

So we should base all aspects of liberalism on you?

So one person can define an entire ideology?

Golly.


Another thing ... haven't YOU YOURSELF called me a perfect example of liberal, leftist, progressive ideology before?

Shouldn't we take your own testimony into account?

I really don't want to sift through all our interchanges to find that though ... but honestly, don't you find me to be a pretty fair example of what you think liberals are?

What's the problem?



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Liar, I never inhibited your right to free expression, just called you out on it.

Though, I know I'm not allowed to do that.

The above poster made a blanket claim against all liberals.

You said he was wrong based on your personal experience. yet I highly doubt you can speak for all liberals, so your assertion is just as invalid.



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Gryphon66

So we should base all aspects of liberalism on you?

So one person can define an entire ideology?

Golly.


Another thing ... haven't YOU YOURSELF called me a perfect example of liberal, leftist, progressive ideology before?

Shouldn't we take your own testimony into account?

I really don't want to sift through all our interchanges to find that though ... but honestly, don't you find me to be a pretty fair example of what you think liberals are?

What's the problem?


honestly?

No.

My wife is a liberal.

You, sir, are what I would consider to be a progressive.



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Gryphon66

So we should base all aspects of liberalism on you?

So one person can define an entire ideology?

Golly.


Another thing ... haven't YOU YOURSELF called me a perfect example of liberal, leftist, progressive ideology before?

Shouldn't we take your own testimony into account?

I really don't want to sift through all our interchanges to find that though ... but honestly, don't you find me to be a pretty fair example of what you think liberals are?

What's the problem?


honestly?

No.

My wife is a liberal.

You, sir, are what I would consider to be a progressive.

And the distinction between Progressive and Liberal is.????



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:45 PM
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Fair enough, so now we're down to fine distinctions of what you believe.

I'm not appalled with being a Progressive at all; thanks Beez!

Still, it's kinda like the Christian thing ... if I consider myself a liberal, and I hold recognizable liberal beliefs, and take recognizable liberal actions ... I'm pretty much a liberal, regardless of your definitions.

So as a liberal, and Progressive, I still say that Chuck's post is filled with horsepuck.

You're kinda skirting by the "telling other people who they are and what they think" thing that you usually enjoy expanding on ... I wonder why?

Is it the Teapot/Kettle Conundrum?

hmmmmm.



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Gryphon66

So we should base all aspects of liberalism on you?

So one person can define an entire ideology?

Golly.


Another thing ... haven't YOU YOURSELF called me a perfect example of liberal, leftist, progressive ideology before?

Shouldn't we take your own testimony into account?

I really don't want to sift through all our interchanges to find that though ... but honestly, don't you find me to be a pretty fair example of what you think liberals are?

What's the problem?


honestly?

No.

My wife is a liberal.

You, sir, are what I would consider to be a progressive.

And the distinction between Progressive and Liberal is.????


A lot. But too much to delve into this evening. sufficed to say, people like Bush, Clinton (both), Obama, etc are classic examples of progressives.



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: beezzer

Fair enough, so now we're down to fine distinctions of what you believe.

I'm not appalled with being a Progressive at all; thanks Beez!

Still, it's kinda like the Christian thing ... if I consider myself a liberal, and I hold recognizable liberal beliefs, and take recognizable liberal actions ... I'm pretty much a liberal, regardless of your definitions.

So as a liberal, and Progressive, I still say that Chuck's post is filled with horsepuck.

You're kinda skirting by the "telling other people who they are and what they think" thing that you usually enjoy expanding on ... I wonder why?

Is it the Teapot/Kettle Conundrum?

hmmmmm.



I simply made an observation.

U mad bro?



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:51 PM
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I'm a liberal-conservative-progressive-socialist-commie-marxist-capitalistic-treehugging-anarchist

... and I say all y'all are wrong.




posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: CranialSponge
I'm a liberal-conservative-progressive-socialist-commie-marxist-capitalistic-treehugging-anarchist

... and I say all y'all are wrong.



Aren't you also. . . . . Canadian?




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