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How to Become a Conservative in Four Embarrassing Steps

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posted on Mar, 11 2015 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: TDawgRex

This is an honest question. (Well, three)

What do you mean when you refer to Progressives? Who are you referring to?

What policies and beliefs, etc. are so abominable to you?

Thank you for any answer you choose to make.




posted on Mar, 11 2015 @ 03:56 PM
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Progressives only seek progress and can look at issues from both sides to seek a solution that benefits all people.
Applying right or left ideology to all issues assures you will be wrong on some.
Progressives see that sometimes rights are in conflict with each other.

Example, A CEO owns a company that is fracking for natural gas. He has a right to make as much money as he can. A man nearby has the right to clean water. If his tap water catches on fire .. Their rights bump heads

Progressivism has brought us anti monopoly laws, women's right to vote, civil rights
And someday a single payer health system like the rest of the civilized world

The first progressives in American politics were teddy Roosevelt(R) and Woodrow Wilson(D)
This may help you understand the issues of the day. Much the same today

Robert LaFollette 1909 progressive magazine

" in the course of every attempt to establish or develop free government a struggle between special privilege and equal rights is inevitable. Our great industrial organizations are in control of politics, government, and natural resources.they manage conventions, make platforms, dictate legislation. They rule through the very men elected to represent them"
" the battle against corporate takeover of the government will be the longest and hardest ever fought for democracy" 100 years later we fight the same battle

Power to the people



posted on Mar, 11 2015 @ 04:38 PM
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" the battle against corporate takeover of the government will be the longest and hardest ever fought for democracy" 100 years later we fight the same battle


I am pretty sure we already lost that battle.



posted on Mar, 11 2015 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I get along with the majority of Dems and Liberals as I listen to what they have to say and they me. We can get along, though while we see the same problems, we have different solutions to rectify those problems.

Bernie Sanders declares himself a Socialist and I can respect his honesty. I even like a very few of his ideas.

Progressives though are a sneaky bunch. "Rules for Radicals" is their playbook. Progressive rarely identify themselves as such and instead label themselves under the guise of another party. I consider Boehner to be a progressive and there are many within the GOP & DNC ranks who are as well.

Almost every policy that this Admin has proposed or enacted, I have been in opposition to it, if for anything else, it seems to me that they haven't thought things through. Like the ACA for example. Good intentions, bad execution.

I think that we can agree that Congress and this Admin have screwed things up beyond belief. It's not just one or the other, the scourge of progressiveism has polluted both parties...a long time ago.



posted on Mar, 11 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: HighFive

Yup.

Those early Progressives sure had the best idea in mind to make the rich richer.


Standard Oil Trust...

The Trust broke up in 1911, which led to the skyrocketing of the trust's stock prices. Some historians contend that the breakup of Standard Oil closely resembles the more modern monopoly breakup of AT&T and the Bell telephone system.

Like the telephone industry’s "Baby Bells," many of big oil’s "Baby Standards" kept the old company name as they went into business for themselves. However, if a company separated on its own, it was restricted from using the "Standard" brand. Just as Bell had accomplished later on in its history, the Standards soon rose up to dominate the market, becoming more valuable than the original trust.

Standard Oil Trust



Very successful indeed.

And I guess the Federal Reserve and new IRS was a happy move too.

Like alchemists turning lead into gold, they turn little paper into big money !!!!




posted on Mar, 11 2015 @ 05:44 PM
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a reply to: TDawgRex

Thanks for your full answer!

Discussion of what Progressivism really means is outside the topic of this discussion I'd think.

Maybe I'll start one or someone will and we can weigh the options together there.

Much obliged again!



posted on Mar, 11 2015 @ 06:15 PM
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How to go to Hell if you do not repent.

Listen to Progressive propaganda all day and their lies agaisnt conservatives.



posted on Mar, 11 2015 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask


This site has become an echo chamber moving so far left that it is almost unrecognizable to me from the time I joined back in 2008....I have a lot of love for my ATS home and im saddened to see what is happening, people can deny it and use the "Every side feels the same way" line but its apparent to anyone who has been here for a while.


Are you serious?

Are you wanting it be a 'right-wing' echo chamber instead?
I've been here for 4 years.

The right-wing force is strong with you. And it's about time the rest of us started fighting back against Republican/Conservative obstructionist crap and spin.....
stop feeling sorry for yourself, and do some real research.





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posted on Mar, 11 2015 @ 06:51 PM
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posted on Mar, 11 2015 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask


This site has become an echo chamber moving so far left that it is almost unrecognizable to me from the time I joined back in 2008....I have a lot of love for my ATS home and im saddened to see what is happening, people can deny it and use the "Every side feels the same way" line but its apparent to anyone who has been here for a while.


Are you serious?

Are you wanting it be a 'right-wing' echo chamber instead?
I've been here for 4 years.

The right-wing force is strong with you. And it's about time the rest of us started fighting back against Republican/Conservative obstructionist crap and spin.....
stop feeling sorry for yourself, and do some real research.






You said that right! LOL So much truth right there in your post! Amazing!

No hate for anyone. But, People that have been brainwashed and programmed, don't know it, really. It's insidious. All the right wing pundits arguments seem meritorious and true to a degree when you here it but if you're strong willed enough or educated enough you can see through it.

It's like if you really want to succeed in life, get promotions, start a business, start a non profit, get more education...when you really want to succeed, you quickly see that there is no room for whiny people. like Sean Hannity. You also quickly see that when someone fails to take hard look at both sides of an issue before making a decision that they'll never be succesful. If you want to succeed you also see that there is no room for negative people or people with blinders on. People like O'Rielly, Limbaugh, Coulter, Prager, Savage and all the rest. They only ever criticize one side...the liberals or the democrats. Why is that?

Many on ATS here do the same. Only when called out on it do they give you a lame reply, such as "Oh I'm not a Republican or I do see all sides or They're both to blame" but...we see right through it. I don't think people parroting right wing propaganda even realize what they're saying half the time. If they here it from a conservative source, it must be correct. It's really sad.

There is too much right wing propaganda on ATS. Way too much. Either the left is incompetent or really isn't so bad, because they just don't have the same degree of propaganda and BS for some reason.


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posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: amazing

You see all sorts of Right-wing crap and others see all sorts of left-wing divisiveness here on ATS. All I see is a bunch of crap. I like how you focus in like a laser on Hannity, O'Rielly, Savage, et al, while at the same time ignoring your masters in the MSM. That right there is funny!

And you are correct on one thing. The left is incompetent.

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posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 08:06 AM
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So do the Bill Clinton and John Edwards scandals (involving mistresses and then lying to cover it up) provide the embarrassing blueprint for how to become a liberal? That's two top liberals, both disgraced, both liars.
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posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: hammanderr
So do the Bill Clinton and John Edwards scandals (involving mistresses and then lying to cover it up) provide the embarrassing blueprint for how to become a liberal? That's two top liberals, both disgraced, both liars.


That's the spirit!

Why would either of their personal embarrassments guide anyone to becoming a liberal?

How do those particular dots connect in your mind?



posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: amazing

The American left is "incompetent" to the point that they do not offer a unified message. The Left is composed of independent thinking folks, and that leads to individual interpretations of what should be on the agenda.

The Right marches in lock-step. Witness the moderates McCain and Romney stumbling to get "right" enough.

Look at some of the Republican Primary debates ... 13 regurgitations of the same stupid rhetoric.



posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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This guy is a liberal moron. Check out his posts for: 'Has the GOP Been Taken Over by Satan?'; 'Cannabis-Based Batteries Could Charge Your Phone...'; 'White Woman Goes on Shooting Spree, Yet Somehow Isn't Automatically Killed By Police'; and my favorite, 'GOP Assault on Social Security Could be 'Death Sentence''. After reading these it is no wonder the Liberals keep winning...they are supported by these people!



posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: amazing

You see all sorts of Right-wing crap and others see all sorts of left-wing divisiveness here on ATS. All I see is a bunch of crap. I like how you focus in like a laser on Hannity, O'Rielly, Savage, et al, while at the same time ignoring your masters in the MSM. That right there is funny!

And you are correct on one thing. The left is incompetent.


Not my masters! LOL But you're missing that Hannity, ORielly and Savage are the MSM. They have millions upon millions of viewers and listeners. I only know the names of three talking heads on the left. Maddow who is too annoying to listen to, Oddonnel, too boring to listen to and Maher, but I don't get HBO so don't listen to him. I have seen him before and he makes some good points and then gets a little...vulgar isn't the word...he usually takes it to a level I'm uncomfortable.

The guys on the right make way more noise and influence way more people. thats why I single them out. They're also more hateful, mean and arrogant, with the exception of Maher. I'll give you that one.



posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 06:03 PM
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a reply to: amazing

I do know that they are MSM. I was just making a point.

But I am happy that you have clarified.



posted on Mar, 12 2015 @ 10:22 PM
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originally posted by: Granite

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Granite

But I'm sure rush would be just fine right?

You can call it a biased source and have a point but unless they run stories like BIN or TRN good luck with it getting banned.


According to Fact Checkers, Rush is 99.97% factually correct.

Have a listen to his show...I know "truth" is your passion...


what fact checkers? according to politifact rush tells the truth 0%, mostly true 7%, and half true 10% of the time. thats only 17% even close to true.

www.politifact.com...



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 12:35 AM
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so ive read every post so far, 12 pages, and now its my turn to throw my two cents in.

i listen to, in order, beck, rush, hannity, schnitt or loesh (depends on reception), and levin almost every day. on the other side i watch stewart and maher. to fact check i use google.

the general pattern of the radio talking heads is to give a one liner, then tell you how it will destroy your life! the (insert noun/verb here) of (insert democrat/obama here) will (insert take/destroy here) your (insert life/money/freedom/country here). they do nothing but sell fear and paranoia. they even attack their own, mostly boehner, if they arent far enough right. strange.

so what types of people listen? people like me, who take it with a grain of salt and fact check, and believers. now since they are self described conservatives, you can easily group the believers into the conservative camp. since they do nothing but spout fear, its reasonable to suppose that their believers are fearful/paranoid. this view has also been supported by psych tests, conservatives are more fearful than liberals.

so to get on point, i will judge conservatives by their talking heads on radio. they have lots of believers, so its fitting to judge the followers by the leaders. for example, rush denies climate change. he often uses east anglia as an example of climate science fraud. what he fails to mention is that 6 different inquires have been made into that case and all cleared east anglia. he also fails to mention that a koch brother sponsored research project, lead by a climate change sceptic, also cleared east anglia. all of them say that soros is pouring money into liberal causes, yet fail to mention that the kochs spend 53x more money than soros to effect politics and causes.

they make up facts. for example they laud the trickle down system and cherry pick facts like standard of living is higher. yet it isnt when compared to inflation. they are myopic in their view of history. if you compare the 30 years post wwii (middle class expansion, debt to gdp decrease, wage increase) to the 35 years since reagan (increased debt to gdp, decreased wages, decline in middle class) you will see that things have gotten much worse for the average person. my favorite is that obama has added more debt than all other presidents combined. obama came in with 10t in debt and added 8. thats 80% increase. reagan added 186%. bush the second doubled the debt. so while on a dollar level they are right, on a percentage level they are way off. yet somehow giving rich people more money helps me out when its time to pay my bills and my rich boss skips my raise so he can pocket a bigger bonus. (get another job, right? cause jobs are plentiful and the 500 ceos that everyone i know works for dont practice this and know one another)

drug test for the poor, the people that need drugs the most to escape their miserable existence of working 40+ hours between two jobs and still come up short so they need gov help, in order to kick them off is a great example of lack of empathy. every poor person i know has a job, some more than one, and still fall short at bill time. 75% of people on welfare have jobs! no minimum wage hike cause minimum wage jobs are entry level? hey, thats great, but i would like to live will learning the skills to get a better job.

as for number 4, just watch hannity or oreilly for examples. you dont see that on stewart or maher.

sorry for the wall of text, but i did just read 12 pages and have a lot to say.

if you never watch the MSM, then how do you know what they say? how can you judge what you dont know? because the radio said so, or fox? i at least listen to those i disagree with.

conservative and liberal are not parties, but ideology. the parties have switched over time. take the south. they have always been conservative. for a long time they were democrats, when the dems supported separate but equal and started the kkk. now they are republican because the reps followed the southern strategy and are now conservative. a progressive idea is gay rights. reps hate it and dems champion it.

no, the two parties are not the same. yes they overlap when it comes to money, but the means are different. dems support the poor, reps punish them. a lot of poor people spending their money trumps one rich guy spending his. a thousand poor buying toasters beats a rich guy buying one. this increases demand and is good for long term business success.

nearly all those that say they are constitutionalists, constructionists, independents, or whatever are republicans. when was the last time you heard of any of them voting democrat?

vote 3rd party and throw your vote away. granted you are laying the foundation for a 3rd, but in reality you wasted you vote.

there are extremes in both parties and ideologies. however, liberals are more evidence based, and reps are more faith based.

dems are a fractured party, lots of chiefs and few indians. reps are monolithic, my way or the highway types. psych tests support this.

conservatives are me, not we. conservatives are all about their rights and needs, to heck with everyone else. they are not team players, and a country is a team sport.

by the way, obama and the aca didnt take your doctor away, that was your insurance company.



posted on Mar, 13 2015 @ 07:33 AM
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I wish I could give you 2015 stars for that post.
Thank you



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