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In Florida, officials ban term 'climate change'

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posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 06:39 AM
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So three planets or bodies are losing their polar ice caps. How does that equals "throughout the solar system"? If the sun is putting out so much more energy as to be causing Pluto's ice caps to melt, how are Mercury and Venus not cosmic ash by now?

I suggest you read the whole article...

Solar output doesn't vary much more than 1% up or down. That's believed to cause barely measurable changes in temperatures and at a decadal rate. For the bodies that orbit a stable star like ours, it's their movement around that star that determines how much energy they receive from it.

By the way the sun isn't causing Pluto's ice loss.




posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: jrod

The farmers know. Washington State wheat farmers know and are adjusting their growing patterns this year. Scott and all the deniers know. But conservatives will not change or adapt. Solving problems costs too much money and might take from the war machine.



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 07:43 AM
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Well no one can say they don't have a dog in this fight.
I apolgize if this has been posted to this thread already
but I found the information on the black ice pertinent.




posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 09:13 AM
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AGAIN the Global warming theory as presented has no thermal Dynamic correlation and as such is NOT correct using the idea WE created the issue. IT'S A NAURAL cycle not people.
NO basis in science without that whatso ever which makes it another money/power grab wrapped up in Al Gore's scam.
all I ave said is fact.
Until they have that MODEL to prove it it's just smoke and mirrors,NOT to metion China is polluting so bad the have previously unkown levels of smog that this issue can't address.



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 11:27 AM
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It is indeed human activity that is causing the bulk of the climate change we are experiencing.

It is absolutely insane and ignorant how you can deny this. You have some crackpot theory about how the sun is suddenly causing the warming of this planet and our neighbors, yet you off ZERO evidence to support this. It seems like you are just another armchair expert who read something about this and like this because you do not want to admit the 'left' might actually be right about something. You even mentioned Al Gore, how cliche. It seems that all the die-hard deniers must mention Al Gore at some point in the climate debate.

There is a thermal dynamics correlation, it is called radiative forcing. Both CO2 and CH4 cause radiative forcing. A simple residence time calculation of CO2 and CH4 in the atmosphere shows how this is a problem, that we as a result of industrialization have caused this, and that we are the ones who are releasing the excess CO2 and CH4 in the atmosphere.

Go ahead and use fancy terms like thermal dynamic correlation, a term I seriously doubt you can define, much less describe how it is relevant to the climate change events.

Back to the issue at hand, there needs to be an investigation of what is going in Florida, though I doubt it will matter extremely wealthy and deceitful people like Rick Scott essentially make up their own rules and know how to charm and distract the ignorant.
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posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 11:28 AM
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It is indeed human activity that is causing the bulk of the climate change we are experiencing.

It is absolutely insane and ignorant who you can deny this. You have some crackpot theory about how the sun is suddenly causing the warming of this planet and our neighbors, yet you off ZERO evidence to support this. It seems like you are just another armchair expert who read something about this and like this because you do not want to admit the 'left' might actually be right about something. You even mentioned Al Gore, how cliche. It seems that all the die-hard deniers must mention Al Gore at some point in the climate debate.

There is a thermal dynamics correlation, it is called radiative forcing. Both CO2 and CH4 cause radiative forcing. A simple residence time calculation of CO2 and CH4 in the atmosphere shows how this is a problem, that we as a result of industrialization have caused this, and that we are the ones who are releasing the excess CO2 and CH4 in the atmosphere.

Go ahead and use fancy terms like thermal dynamic correlation, a term I seriously doubt you can define, much less describe how it is relevant to the climate change events.

Back to the issue at hand, there needs to be an investigation of what is going in Florida, though I doubt it will matter extremely wealthy and deceitful people like Rick Scott essentially make up their own rules and know how to charm and distract the ignorant.



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 12:58 PM
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can I see an information link?
as well as the formulary for it?
THAT is the holy grail liking the actual science so lets see that.
OR do you intend to snarf off anther impotent dismissal?



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 01:06 PM
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But we were talking about the sun causing global warming on other planets. Don't move the goal posts.



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 01:17 PM
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You can take the time to read through this thread for some links to information. If that does not satisfy you, then there are a plethora of threads in the Fragile Earth forum that you can read and check out the links provided.

It seems like you just want to move the goal posts and like to shift the burden of proof on someone else.

Let's not forget, we have someone who is/was employed by the Florida's DEP who went public about being censored by this policy. That is what this thread about. Plenty of other threads that touch on the issues you bring up.



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 01:49 PM
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I want a provable formula not a college education. I need the numbers so I can reaserch the info through MY soutces which say it sin't scientifically proevable and since this is a HUGE socialist cash cow I want to find out.
If you don't know you don't have the reply.
DEFLECTING by assuption is also not any help.



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: Kali74science.nasa.gov...
I can answer others as well if you can seperate the posts.



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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But you replied to me.

I'm waiting for you to explain to me how if the sun is expelling so much more energy so as to cause melting on Pluto, how is it the first few planets aren't ash... I mean, it does take power and time for energy to reach that far. Your links do nothing to explain your position that the sun is heating up all the planets. If minimums could cause melting on Pluto, we'd be so screwed, but we're still here so...

Tell me how this is.



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 02:23 PM
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You do realize that Pluto is on a close approach to the Sun right now, unlike Earth, Pluto has a highly elliptical orbit that means at different points of Pluto's orbit, it will experience a much greater variance of solar radiation that the planets experience.

In other words, keep trying. Maybe one of these crackpot theories will stick.



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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AND a viable formula is not forthcoming I take it?



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: jrodwww.fauxscienceslayer.com...://www.fauxscienceslayer.com/pdf/Lukewarm_Lemmings.pdf
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posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 03:41 PM
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I get a 404 error when I click on the link. The website seems like junk to me. Anytime someone claims good science as religion, I am skeptical of their intentions.

This thread is about Florida government censoring discussions and talk about 'climate change', 'global warming', 'sea level rise', and 'sustainability.'

Despite what has been brought to light about this unwritten policy, i.e. the recent canning of a DEP scientist who did not comply, Rick Scott and his PR department denies this even though memo's and referendums have circulating outlying this policy. This is by definition a conspiracy.

All we can ask for is an investigation by the Inspector General into this issue, that is a fair investigation from an unbiased Inspector General.



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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Can you check out the plethora of threads in the Fragile Earth forum, or you just too lazy to do that? Have you even browsed through all of this thread? (I see you edited, making this statement seem out of place here). That link you provided is full of junk claims. Not sure how it is relevant to the OP and issue at hand.

Again this thread is about Florida's government censoring words, plenty of other threads to discuss climate change and the science behind it.
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posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 04:08 PM
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AGAIN the Global warming theory as presented has no thermal Dynamic correlation and as such is NOT correct using the idea WE created the issue.



In your own words how do any of the laws of thermodynamics falsify AGW?



posted on Mar, 20 2015 @ 04:15 PM
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So the question remains.

Most of us on ATS are not scientists although some of us have college educations of various sorts, we read a lot, not just books but science articles, blogs, journals etc. We go to conferences and we go to seminars and watch videos, take online course, own business, train in various hobbies and careers. We're, most of us, even the brainwashed among us generally pretty smart and continue to take on new information.

However, not being scientists and with the vast amount of topics on ATS, we rely on actual scientists to provide us with information. We get scientific analysis of Mars missions, and scientific analysis of everything really.

Regarding climate change/global warming we need to rely on what scientists are telling us. This thread and most like it are just full of "...this report says this" followed by "...but this graph disproves that report" followed by "...but this scientist has ties to big oil/carbon tax" followed by whatever. We keep bringing up one thing and then another and then another. And although that has some value, it will never show us the true picture.

What do most scientists say on this matter? Which scientists/scientific organizations do we believe?

I would tend to go with NASA and others like that or esteemed colleges or scientific organizations from another country that are usually above reproach. NASA tells me that there is man made global warming and scientific consensus regarding it. Are they lying to me? Who then should I listen to? Which scientist is telling the truth?

Yeah?

Editing to add. I shouldn't need to research the laws of thermodynamics and prove it that way or this. I should be able to find a reliable authority on the matter that can summarize it for me and how it relates to climate change/global warming. Where are these scientists?

It's sort of like gravity. I don't really understand it, apart from that I can fall down if I'm not careful. I rely on scientists to explain it to me in terms that I can understand. Are these gravity scientists lying to me as well?
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