Russia launches war games in disputed territories

March 5, 2015 1:33 pm Russia launches war games in disputed territories. Russia has launched large-scale military exercises involving three disputed territories in a move likely to irk its neighbors and heighten concern in Nato about Moscow’s intentions.

including the federal districts of Southern Russia, the Northern Caucasus and the recently-annexed Crimea as well as Russian military bases in Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Armenia.

This adds to a string of manoeuvrings conducted over the past few weeks in Crimea, Armenia, the Russian region of North Ossetia and three other areas in Southern Russia.

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Talk about wanting to start a war. Putin is playing with fire. Just when he signs a peace treaty for Ukraine he ignores it only to throw his military around, play more Games trying to Threaten everyone in the Region. I guess his political enemy had some solid info on him that Putin had to keep quite. This will get everyone of the NATO nations who borders Russia screaming for more U.S. military to be stationed in their countries. Cant blame this on the U.S., Oh yea I forgot the pro Russian crowd will always find some excuse to link this to the U.S.

Before someone comes here saying the U.S. is doing the same in NATO countries bordering Russia, you would then be ignoring the fact that what the U.S. has sent over there is tiny and only show of commitment for NATO. They would simply observing the slaughter of what ever nation Russia wanted next as 600 troops isn't going to do anything to the hundreds of thousand Putin can throw over his border in a day.

One could only hope they are all forward air controllers, where if Russia did invade they can quickly call in airstrikes as they hide in remote areas. Air Force special forces built to survive alone and call down hell from above. They would make the Russians pay for any invasion of a NATO nation.

In before the Putin Bobble-heads. S&F

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

And of course it hasn`t got anything to do with American aggression, even the Germans seems to get fed up with the road to war...

Analysts: NATO Black Sea drills, US military aid no way to make peace in Ukraine

MOSCOW, 6 March. /TASS/. NATO’s just-started military drills and the airlifting of 300 US paratroopers to Lviv are a crude violation of the United States’ professed commitment to restoring peace to Ukraine, polled experts have told TASS.

On Tuesday, March 4, six NATO ships entered the Black Sea - The USS Vicksburg, Canada’s The Fredericton, Turkey’s the Turgutreis, Germany’s The Spessart, Italy’s the Aliseo, and Romania’s The Regina Maria. US Vice-Admiral Brad Williamson is in charge of the group. According to NATO’s press-service the ships will be practising protection from air raids and from torpedo attacks by submarines.

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Breedlove's Bellicosity: Berlin Alarmed by Aggressive NATO Stance on Ukraine

US President Obama supports Chancellor Merkel's efforts at finding a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis. But hawks in Washington seem determined to torpedo Berlin's approach. And NATO's top commander in Europe hasn't been helping either.

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Before someone comes here saying the U.S. is doing the same in NATO countries bordering Russia, you would then be ignoring the fact that what the U.S. has sent over there is tiny and only show of commitment for NATO. They would simply observing the slaughter of what ever nation Russia wanted next as 600 troops isn't going to do anything to the hundreds of thousand Putin can throw over his border in a day.

So you just want Russophobe members to participate in your thread? Or are you posting just to boost your star and flag count?
Every nation on the planet does this what's your point.

Putin is testing the water with everyone just now . As has been stated above , it happens around the world more often than people realise . War games are exactly that,it's a game .as an ex soldier I have been part of many war games , mainly nato led and they are great for triaining eithe other nations , but, there is a sting in the tale with these games.

It can also be used as a sign of military strenghth and professionalism .basicaly a big pi##ing contest . Sometimes they are called exercises as a cover to diplomatic involvement in reaction to an event.

Putin is playing a game of chess , who gets the check mate is unsure but you will know when all the pieces are in place ...or will you ?

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Before someone comes here saying the U.S. is doing the same in NATO countries bordering Russia, you would then be ignoring the fact that what the U.S. has sent over there is tiny and only show of commitment for NATO. They would simply observing the slaughter of what ever nation Russia wanted next as 600 troops isn't going to do anything

So 600 troops are observing, this is hypercritical at best.

Putin can throw over his border in a day.

Key word "Can"

originally posted by: muSSang
a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Before someone comes here saying the U.S. is doing the same in NATO countries bordering Russia, you would then be ignoring the fact that what the U.S. has sent over there is tiny and only show of commitment for NATO. They would simply observing the slaughter of what ever nation Russia wanted next as 600 troops isn't going to do anything

So 600 troops are observing, this is hypercritical at best.

Putin can throw over his border in a day.

Key word "Can"

What, pray tell, will 600 troops do if full scale war breaks out?

The term "speed bump" seems appropriate, if probably generous.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: muSSang
a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Before someone comes here saying the U.S. is doing the same in NATO countries bordering Russia, you would then be ignoring the fact that what the U.S. has sent over there is tiny and only show of commitment for NATO. They would simply observing the slaughter of what ever nation Russia wanted next as 600 troops isn't going to do anything

So 600 troops are observing, this is hypercritical at best.

Putin can throw over his border in a day.

Key word "Can"

What, pray tell, will 600 troops do if full scale war breaks out?

The term "speed bump" seems appropriate, if probably generous.

I dont know...tell that to the guys who went up against 700 spartans and 1300 greeks(300 was more liek 2000 actually)
Depending on a few factors 600 can cause quite a ruckus before being defeated.

a reply to: Kukri

The point was pretty obviously ignored in the post prior to yours lol. So 300 paratroopers from the U.S. hu? Oh boy that is really rattling the saber against Russia's 140,000 troops on the other side of the border haha. Two C-17s worth of army against the mighty Russian army, that's the typical Russian way, cry about the ridiculous and commit real atrocities while they whine about nothing.

Just like our Missile Defense in Poland that is supposed to somehow magically chase down missiles shot in the other direction. I guess Putin really, really wants to have the ability to shoot just one or two missiles at a European city. That is the only thing besides protecting the U.S., Poland and anyone north of them FROM MISSILES LAUNCHED OUT OF THE MID-EAST.

a reply to: Kukri

No I just knew that you Russian fanboys would use that as your excuse and its a laughable one as well. Especially when your not even intelligent enough to think of anything else lol.

I could get a rats backside about Flags or stars however when a member states they flagged and stared my post, It lets me know who to make friends with since they are normal and not Socialist like many here.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: muSSang
a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Before someone comes here saying the U.S. is doing the same in NATO countries bordering Russia, you would then be ignoring the fact that what the U.S. has sent over there is tiny and only show of commitment for NATO. They would simply observing the slaughter of what ever nation Russia wanted next as 600 troops isn't going to do anything

So 600 troops are observing, this is hypercritical at best.

Putin can throw over his border in a day.

Key word "Can"

What, pray tell, will 600 troops do if full scale war breaks out?

The term "speed bump" seems appropriate, if probably generous.

I dont know...tell that to the guys who went up against 700 spartans and 1300 greeks(300 was more liek 2000 actually)
Depending on a few factors 600 can cause quite a ruckus before being defeated.

Ahhh we want to get historical about it. Okay, let's play.

Actually the Spartan force was anywhere from about 5,000 to 20,000 troops in total depending on who you're reading. 7,000 is a relatively widely accepted number. That force was defending a pass roughly 20 meters in width. With a cliffs on one side of the pass and the sea on the other.

So where exactly is there terrain that matches that in Ukraine?

Can a small force possibly hold up a larger attacking force? Sure. Happens all the time. But given that American forces in Fulda frequently referred to themselves as nothing more than a speed bump, I fail to see how 600 troops in Ukraine would fare any different.

Well to be fair Russia needs these exercises badly to just gets it forces into a general state of readiness. This is not the US or UK where units are at a high level of readiness all the time. The standard in Russia is much much lower. The Russian budget does not allow for much training and units tend to be a poor state of readiness with equipment. And lets face it Russia is not much a conventional threat. It had a hard time in both Ukraine and Georgia facing poorly armed, poorly trained forces. With NATO out numbering Russia actives forces 3 million to 700,000, its combat aircraft out number by more than 2 to 1 just by the USAF alone and its Navy massively out numbered, Russia has no interest in war. They do however want to put on a good show for the people at home.

a reply to: MrSpad

Russia surely and massively outnumbered 4 to 1 by NATO on the "quality" combat aircrafts like 4.5 gen and above. Russia is currently "broke" in the stealth department.

However, Russia is not the third world countries that NATO has been toying around in the last 20 or so years. It has the ability to keep the adversary AF at a distance for a long time like 3-6 months before total air superiority is attained.

Best way to deal with matters would be for Russia to launch an very efficient pre-emptive strike on NATO assets, when the matters are 99% assured to go HOT................and then wait for the enemy to come to itself. An efficient per-emptive strike will negate lots of advantages that NATO has and will threat major parts of Western Europe getting overrun by the Ruskie tanks.

i really dont think Russia will pre-empt anything.
they may be a lot of things, but stupid? no

a reply to: autopat51

You might be correct here but speaking in military terms..........premptive strikes do a lot good!

What if Saddam had pre-empted when US was building forces in Saudi Arabia? It would have taken 6 months on bombing to even start the ground war while Saddam's goons would have run a riot in the middle east. It would have taken an "on the table" diplomacy with West on the much weaker ground in terms of negotiations. USSR was still around and Saddam would have come out somewhat smiling.

What happened in the end? Iraqi Army was routed and the only thing standing between the US forces and Bagdhad was a barren highway with no traffic.

Russians would know the likelihood of matters going HOT. Also any NATO forces hostility towards the Federation forces can be taken as an act of war and then technical term becomes "responsive" not "pre-emptive" strike. China can pre-empt strike on Japan and South Korea and run over the Pacific and let loose the North Korean hounds while shifting attention to Europe to help the Russians out. Middle East and 90% of Islamic world including Turkey and Egypt will switch sides and clean the ME slate out in favor of Russia.

There are chances Germany and France might quit NATO on the spot to avoid "destruction from war" and let AngloSaxons try to figure it out as to where they went wrong.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: MrSpad

Russia surely and massively outnumbered 4 to 1 by NATO on the "quality" combat aircrafts like 4.5 gen and above. Russia is currently "broke" in the stealth department.

However, Russia is not the third world countries that NATO has been toying around in the last 20 or so years. It has the ability to keep the adversary AF at a distance for a long time like 3-6 months before total air superiority is attained.

Best way to deal with matters would be for Russia to launch an very efficient pre-emptive strike on NATO assets, when the matters are 99% assured to go HOT................and then wait for the enemy to come to itself. An efficient per-emptive strike will negate lots of advantages that NATO has and will threat major parts of Western Europe getting overrun by the Ruskie tanks.

Can't stop laughing biggest problem Russia has is force projection. They can't move anywhere quickly in fact they need rail to move troops takes there army weeks to move into an area. Think this would give NATO members plenty of time to react. Russia has limited support capabilities that's why in Ukraine they started taking over the rail yards and a big battle insued. That's why Putin kept telling them to surrender he needed to get the trains running again. Without rail Russian army would starve.

a reply to: dragonridr

i can't stop laughing either...........so you expect Putin to pre-empt using soldiers with Ak-47s who have been shipped via railroad and trucks?

please read your chapters again.......before deciding to throw laughable comments!!

This is how you pre-empt..........just one example!!

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U.S. aircraft carrier and part of its escort “sunk” by French submarine during drills off Florida

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: MrSpad

Russia surely and massively outnumbered 4 to 1 by NATO on the "quality" combat aircrafts like 4.5 gen and above. Russia is currently "broke" in the stealth department.

However, Russia is not the third world countries that NATO has been toying around in the last 20 or so years. It has the ability to keep the adversary AF at a distance for a long time like 3-6 months before total air superiority is attained.

Best way to deal with matters would be for Russia to launch an very efficient pre-emptive strike on NATO assets, when the matters are 99% assured to go HOT................and then wait for the enemy to come to itself. An efficient per-emptive strike will negate lots of advantages that NATO has and will threat major parts of Western Europe getting overrun by the Ruskie tanks.

Russia could not even attain air superiority in Georgia. Of course part of that was the Russian militarys lack of abilty to communicate thus leading to shooting down their own aircraft and the complete lack of any ability to take out ground based air defenses. And Russia has not ability to launch a pre-emptive strike. It is slow moving. They put there best in against Ukraines mess of a military and it was still a grinding fight. Russian doctrine is out of date and has proven worthless against westen forces. The fact is you take away Russia's nukes and the are about equal to Turkey as a conventianl military power.

you've heard the old saying.."there are subs and there are targets"
some believe our surface fleet are relics from a past way of thinking.