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Secret Agreement Reveals Covert Program to Hide Reclassification from Public
The National Archives and Records Administration secretly agreed to a covert effort, led by the Air Force, the CIA, and other still-hidden intelligence entities, to remove open-shelf archival records and reclassify them while disguising the results so that researchers would not complain, according to a previously secret Memorandum of Understanding..
There are those who believe that the Freedom of Information Act is the gateway to all knowledge about UFOs. If you have a question, just file a FOIA request and the information will be sent to you. Anything you wish to know, you can learn, if you can find the right agency, form your questions intelligently, and if you have a little patience.
And I say crapola…
The point here is that it doesn’t seem that FOIA works as well as it used to. It seems that they can ignore repeated requests, and I really don’t want to pay an attorney two hundred dollars an hour to sue them for a response, only to learn that the information is considered vital to national security which would launch another lawsuit. They have the resources to dance, but we out here do not.Oh, I get it that lots of people file FOIA over trivia… but then, if the records weren’t hidden away, there would be no need for FOIA. And yes, I understand that some things are a matter of national security, but I’m not sure how that might relate to the Air Force investigations of Roswell since the Air Force said it was a balloon, or how it relates to the radar tracks of a commercial airliner more than two decades ago.FOIA just doesn’t work the way it used to and that is really all I’m saying..
I believe that the problem is systemic... the teeth have been removed from the FOIA laws, they now routinely charge, they categorize the requests, all to keep from having to do anything at all. It has nothing to do with UFOs and everything to do with keeping information, however routine and dull, from the public.
I had asked for something that should have been as simple as reviewing the Command Post logs on a single date. I just wanted to know if a telephone call had been made and if a radar track had been seen... Instead, I get a number of emails that have nothing to do with that and I still have no answer to my questions.
And, I have received absolutely no answer from one office at all. I have sent, over the last year, four separate requests for the very same information.
The point is that FOIA is sick and dying and that has nothing to do with UFOs.
originally posted by: karl 12
Yes there's lots of official UFO documentation out there (link) but it really does make a person wonder just what it is they are withholding and there are plenty of other examples of Government UFO files, sensitive military UFO reports, official UFO footage, gun camera photographs, radar tapes, satellite data, Military pilot transcripts, Control Tower tapes, Naval log books, official UFO meeting minutes, security footage, physical trace evidence samples and official UFO investigation records being withheld, missing, stolen, destroyed or confiscated here.
I agree. I mean they're all Chinese lanterns and birds anyway. What's there to redact?
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: karl 12
I think it is time that instead of issuing FOIA documents with redacted segments, FOIA requests SPECIFICALLY IN THE FIELD OF UFO INCIDENTS, should NEVER feature redactions. There is no need. There is no one to protect, and no critical mission detail involved in some of the most important cases, and we know that just as well as do the people who redact them anyway.
Get the whole shebang out in the open, and stop with the merry go round tactics, that's my two pence on the subject.
originally posted by: Autorico
I've never understood the whole releasing docs with redactions. kind of a slap in the face imo.
Title: CIA UFO document relating to UFOs & the Soviet Union.
Date: September 8, 1971
Length: 1 page.
originally posted by: 111DPKING111
a reply to: karl 12
Its been going on since the beginning, Harry Jordon tells us while on the USS FDR that a UFO incident occurs. His Commander, in 1963, already has the protocol, make sure nothing makes it into the log books...
Ever wonder what the U.S. Government has in their filing cabinets? Search more than 530,000 pages of declassified documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and find out..
This section contains batches of documents that have been received from multiple agencies. The FOIA request was for all documents relating to UFOs... the following is what was released:
Army - 355 Pages - 22 megs
Central Intelligence Agency [2,763 Pages]
Defense Intelligence Agency UFO Files Through 1979 [204 Pages]
Defense Intelligence Agency UFO Files from 1979-1989 [12 Pages]
Defense Intelligence Agency UFO Files From 1990 to date [30 Pages]
Department of Defense [270 Pages]
Federal Bureau of Investigation UFO Documents [1,600 Pages] - [ Part 01 | Part 02 | Part 03 | Part 04 | Part 05 | Part 06 | Part 07 | Part 08 | Part 09 | Part 10 | Part 11 | Part 12 | Part 13 | Part 14 | Part 15 | Part 16 ]
John F. Kennedy Library [127 Pages]
NASA Headquarters [131 Pages]
National Reconnaisance Office UFO Documents (No Records)
National Security Agency's UFO Files [159 Pages]
National Security Agency's Once Exempt From Release [254 Pages]
Navy (No Records)
Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense [132 Pages]
Space Command [7 Pages]
Wright Patterson Air Force Base [910 Pages] - All documents relating to Project Sign and Grudge[ January through August, 1948 | September through December, 1948, 1949.
The sister Services, Army, USAF and CIA, DIA and NSA have released UFO files as have the British, Danes, French, Brazilians, Australians and even Uruguayans. Now the Russians.
It seems the US Navy’s turn. What specifically? For starters:
1. WWII study of ususual radar returns.
2. 4th AF documents concerning with air intrusion of Hanford, Navy radar and aircraft assets tasked to intercept same
3. About 50 AAF and Navy documents formerly TS and below refer to an equal number of other documents on the Scandinavian Ghost Rockets
4. A small amount of Navy documents in the USAF Project Blue Book files refer to other Navy documents not seen
5. AIR 203 was a Joint TS USAF/Navy study of UFOs. Yet Navy claims no records
6. BurAero analysis of AF document released not by Navy but DOD.
7. In 1951 Dr. Urner Liddel ONR claims after studying 2000 cases that UFOs are Skyhook balloons (USAF does even have 2000 cases in 1951. What does ONR have?
8. Korean War radar cases in OP322V, OP322V2 and COMNAVFE. (Some incomplete reports this era in Project BB)
9. Navy Sec Dan Kimball set UFO project in ONI in 1952
10. CIA document enumerating intel asset dedicated to UFOs refers to analyst in ONI
11. The old Hydrographic office was a published source of reports for the US Navy, merchant shipping and aircraft over waters. These were not investigated?
12. Large resevoir of “war stories” by old Navy salts, esp., aircrews and radar operators and other CIC personnel.
originally posted by: UKWO1Phot
If there's nothing to hide, why redact so much information?
Up to twelve luminous UFOs flew over this secure test facility and the region, and at least one F-106A interceptor was scrambled from George AFB at Victorville. All of this action was captured on classified U.S. Air Force audio tapes which have now been declassified and are available to the public along with official documentation.
The question in my mind is, what was going on during those 3-4 hours we don't know about? If we were allowed to hear only 6 hours of 40, and read only 17 pages of hard-to-read documents, what is it we were NOT allowed to hear and see? The documents we have make it clear that by the time Alpha Lima Zero One was scrambled at at 1209Z or 5:09 PM PDT, "the activity was just about over.."
The event at Edwards Air Force Base took place over about a five hour period and since the voice recordings were made from at least 8 positions, approximately 40 hours of audio recordings had to have been made. Out of the possible 40 hours of these tape recordings only 6 hours were declassified by the Department of the Air Force.
originally posted by: interupt42
Its not easy for them to keep track of lies and truth which can lead to official contradiction and further questioning.