originally posted by: 9baller
First of all, Revelation is a book that was meant to be understood by people who knew the Old Testament...............................In chapter 17
this city is called "Babylon" and in 11:8 Jerusalem is "mystically called Sodom and Egypt."
The phrase "New Jerusalem" is used in Rev. 21:2, that is describing Rev. 11:8, this is where Jesus is crucified which spiritually is called "Sodom and
Egypt". Jesus Christ is the "Lamb Slain" in revelations, we are not talking about the crucifixion of 30-33 A.D.. We are not talking about "Old
Jerusalem", we are talking about "New Jerusalem". The Temple of "New Jerusalem", will be visible when the "Great Tribulation/Midnight Cry of Matthew"
begins and the "Temple Stones are Visible".
Past, Present, Future ... Keep these statements in Mind
REVELATION 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven (God) heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
This is the future.
In Rev 17:9 we are told that this city is seated on 7 mountains. The NIV incorrectly translates this as hills, but the greek word used is for
mountains. You can verify this by checking better translations of this verse. It is not a reference to Rome. When the Bible uses the term mountain
symbolically it is a reference to a king, kingdom, or throne. The woman described is connected to 7 kingdoms that exist throughout history.
The Holy Spirit does not have control over the "Seven Heads" at the moment. When the Seven SEALS are opened, then the
Holy Spirit will have control over the "Seven God Heads, which are the Seven Holy Mountains" (Call these the Seven Vials, when this shift occurs ... a
version of control is given). During the 5 Months of Star Wormwood, again this is the Future. (Rev. 17:9, is not a reference to "Kingdoms").
There is only 5 Kingdoms ... No Such Thing as Seven Kingdoms
4 Beasts + Ancient of Days = 5 Kingdoms
Dan. 7:17 when he referred to 4 kingdoms as "four kings."
DANIEL 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, [are] four kings, [which] shall arise out of the earth.
DANIEL 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
4 Angels + Angel of the Bottomless Pit = 5 Kingdoms
REVELATION 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind
should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
REVELATION 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels,
to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
The Gospel in both instances above, does not go beyond "5 Kingdoms", this is stated in Revelations 16:10, "5 Kingdoms Only". The Gospel calls the
Beasts "Kings", and the Beasts are called "SEALS" ... ... ... ... There no such thing as Seven Beasts, the Gospel is teaching a different argument.
(7 SEALS = 4 Beasts + 3 Days of Darkness, this is a viable argument ... ... ... ... no such thing as seven beasts).
John says in verse 10 that five of these kingdoms have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come.
REVELATION 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short
The word Kingdom is not used.
"Seventh SEAL is Opened, Silence in Heaven about the space of half an hour", Rev. 8:1 tells us what Rev. 17:10
is talking about. This is a description of the "Trumpets"). Continuing, 17:11 says the "Eight" is of the "Seventh", true, the "Seventh Trumpet is
Silent Rev. 8:1", now the 7 Vials are of the 7th Trumpet, because Heaven is Silent
. The "Eighth" would be the 7 Vials. (The first of the 7
Vials is poured out when the 7th Trumpet is Silent at the end of the 3 Days of Darkness).
(Arguments You've Alluded to that the Gospel does not State)
No Such Thing as Seven Kingdoms = (5 Kingdoms + Antichrist Slain as the 70th Angel + Jesus Slain to Complete End of this Universe) (The
Antichrist is Not Slain as an Angel until the 5 Months are completed, other angels are slain instead. Jesus is not Slain as the Lamb in full until
the 5 months are completed, he is only slain in part. The Two Witnesses are not slain spiritually during the 3 Days of Darkness ... the Antichrist is
only given a new resurrected body ... this is a big difference for gospel)
No Such Thing as Seven Beasts = (4 Beasts of Daniel/4 Horses of Revelations + 3 Days of Darkness) (The Beasts represent the Holy Ghost
reigning over Satan Spiritually, this continues until the 5 Months in which the Holy Spirit pictured as Star Wormwood reigns over Satan Spiritually,
this process begins with the 3 Days of Darkness)
No one is foolish enough to say the gospel is describing 7 Beasts, when it is not. Only 4 Beasts. Likewise noone is foolish enough to say the gospel
describes more than 5 Kingdoms:
(5 Kingdoms ... These are not Earthly Kingdoms, because they are called Beasts, a Beasts is not a Man, except for the Antichrist, but he is not a
God Reigning over Angels (until God established the Heavenly Temple)
Holy Ghost Reigning Over the Holy Spirit (until God allowed satan to inhabit the Heavenly Temple)
Holy Ghost Reigning Over Satan and the Holy Spirit (until God came as Jesus Christ)
Jesus Christ as a representative of the Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit, reigning over Satan
Antichrist as a representative of the Holy Spirit only, reigning over Satan
(The 4 Beasts are simply the exchanges of God's Authority ... the Gospel does not view the Antichrist as a God, so the description is changed to 5
Kingdoms, to correct the position. Babylon means nothing, the Medes mean nothing, the Persians mean nothing, Rome means nothing, and the USA means
nothing, we are talking about spiritual values. Now, not on topic, but we've connected the gospel descriptions to these places, like Daniel
eventually does, the keyword is he eventually does, from a less accurate to the gospel's perspective).
(the level of euthanasia for genetic dan could jump into the millions in the next few hours, maybe we can cleanse the entire usa, we need to see what
happens in terms of the level of force, so this is very exciting, right now)
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