Christianity vs scientific advancement.

Concerning the time warp technique so frequently used on threads like this one.

Here is the thread where I mentioned the time warp technique back on page 5

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I looked at the Drudge report this morning and saw the headlines and immediately recognized it as a continuation of the time warp technique. It is become very popular with this administration in like manner to how it is used on threads like this one by unbelievers. I think some Americans are catching on ..however few..but a growing number...and telling other Ameicans to watch out for it by leadership and in the news media.

I know I am explaining it to other Ham radio operators nation wide whenever I can as well as on the web.

Here is the crux of the headline from this source though it can also be found on todays Drudge Report but wont be a headline for long.

www.weeklystandard.com...

If you read such speeches carefully ..you realize that this is a variation of the blame game such as is posted here on this thread and so often by unbelievers on ATS and other boards. The same pattern. Sticking people back in a time warp and assigning blame.

This is the second time in about a month that our President has done such...used the time warp technique to justify and assign blame in the minds of people unawares of it and easily emoted.

As I stated in a previous post..on ATS..the last time was at the national Prayer Breakfast. Same time warp technique, same blame game.

Be Warned of this method and aware of it the next time you see it..it is become quite popular here on ATS and now among Illuminated, educated, enlightened leadership.

Orangetom

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: orangetom1999

And this means Adam is also responsible for Eve..and they both paid the price for what they had done...for they are both one...of one flesh. Those two in particular.

Pity they didnt eat of the tree of Life and have everlasting life...oh wait they did...wasnt their descendant Methusaleh the longest living human...969 years

The quote is he lived 969 years or so ......and he died.

The pattern if... you recognize patterns...is from the 5th book of Genesis. It is sometimes called the death book or death chapter. 5 is often representative of death...smote under the 5th rib and such.

Genesis 5 often reads in the lineage...and he died.

I dont propagate a religion. Not that I have a high regard for any definition of mental illness or psychiatry in general but mental illness "conditions" come and go depending on who's updating the DSM.

I know exactly what you mean here. I feel the same about people hooked on science and technology who have primarily a television and movie education in emotional instant gratification. They are often instant experts based on their feelings deeply cultivated by what they saw and felt in movies and television. I equate this with a mental illness...but it is a very common one nation wide.

I know these people because when you ask them a serious moral or ethical question requiring thinking..they quote a movie or television program they have watched as if it was reality. They can function in their jobs..but outside of that they have movie and television beliefs..movie and television values...thinking...not their own..but something transplanted into them. They have second hand beliefs ..not even their own but transplanted into them by and from somewhere else and know it not.

The very scary thing to me is that many of these people are voters. Do you see or detect a problem here...I do. And one which someone would prefer it remain unidentified.

You can see this index or fingerprint here on ATS...many many times.

Most people never recognize this index or fingerprint until someone points it out to them. Again I have explained this to many people with whom I come into contact. Again some of them ham radio operators. Some of them have come back to me and told me that they now recognize this in many people..even public leaders and speakers.

I become very cautious when I detect that someone is trying to grab me by my emotions. It is to me a warning flag.


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Orangetom

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: boymonkey74

do you like obama?

a reply to: undo

Not fussed really I'm in the UK.
He appears ok from my socialist leanings lol.

LOL LOL LOL...ok..

This President and his administration are puppets, like previous Presidents, but puppets with heavy atheist, socialist, if not communist leanings towards absolute power...or what is also Historically defined as "Divine Right of Kings."

A mixing of Church and State. I knew this back when this administration stated..."we can make you do things which are against your religion."

I knew this when others here warned of..."You are not a king."

But one would have to know history and what happened in the English Civil War and what happened to Charles 1st on January 30, 1649 as a result of the belief in "Divine Right of Kings" or absolute power.

Interesting how history repeats itself..but if you knew not history...how would you ever detect the return of the cycle/circle in events.

I believe you are about to see this President attempt a tax hike in spite of Congress...one passed by executive decree..just as did Charles 1st..so long ago.

Most would never know this history as it is not taught for our consideration in lieu of Instant gratification emotional beliefs/entitlements.

Thanks,
Orangetom

a reply to: orangetom1999

I call that often..the time warp technique.. .and it is very popular today in the blame game and now among politics and what tries to pass for leadership today.

Honestly, is not the first time that someone makes the same old argument from Deuteronomy. Most of those persons, they simply copy and paste from sites like "Evilbible.com". A site which by their own description designed to promote atheism and they tend to present a one sided argument, without bothering to mention who the passage is addressing, what period was written, and for what purpose.

I used to do what you call "Time-Warp -Technique" in the past, but i do not doing it today. The reason is that people do not care. The same applies for the Crusades argument, without mentioning the fact it was a response to the Muslim Crusades which started after Polytheistic Arab Mecca have fallen and moved towards Europe.

So why should i bother post and try to explain something, that i know will be answered with a snarky 1 liner.

They try to stick you back in a time warp somewhere and then try to hold you accountable, to censor you ..to shut you up..silence you...or going to the ultimate goal with many ...bully you. This is what is trying to pass for excellence and the moral high ground today. Even in public education into college levels.

Concerning public education, there is quote from Plato, which i think it conveys the point you are saying :

“Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught falsehoods in school. And the person that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool”

Peace

a reply to: Tangerine

The pharoahs were puppets? Interesting.

It appears that a number of Pharaoh's were killed or died early .when they went against the prevailing power structure.

It is the same with a number of Roman leaders. So too here in America.

I became more aware of this when reading

Mr. Secretary by Ben Ames Williams...

Ben Ames Williams is the pen name for Edwin Stanton the Secretary of War for the Civil War Union under Abraham Lincoln. This book was released some time in the 1930s.

In this book he tells of being invited to sit in the box with the President and his wife at Fords theater...in a conversation with US Grant who has also been invited. Stanton knows something is about to happen and he warns US Grant to decline the invitation. Grant goes to New Jersey instead and Edwin Stanton stays home.

When you read stories like this you become aware of how powerless the President actually is unless they go towards assuming "Absolute Power or Divine Right of Kings."

Marriage is property law. Women and their issue were the property until very recently in the Western world and still in many parts of the word.

This is textbook of today intellect..even tries to pass for excellence.

Even today it is men who go off to fight and die or get maimed in the wars...and often take out insurances for their wives, women, and children. Who is property here??

What does a woman protect for a man if she dies first?? Remember ..equality is happening today.

Men have historically worked and labored..often in occupations requiring great risk..travel far from home and family....and turn over their monies and labors to their women for disposal for the family...who is property here???

How much does today's enlightened woman turn over to her man for his discretionary spending and disposal..??? Who is property here??

There is no more or greater loss of power than loss of life. Men today as in yester years die off more and faster than women.

This stuff posted makes good politic..but the whole story is seldom told. To know this requires thinking outside the box of what public education and politic desires. This ..like many "victim dictum causes" is for the purpose of solidifying the female vote. Nothing else. And it is very effective...until the "War on Women" backfired in the last election.

The average male today is so dumb he can do a point spread but not figure this out. Why should he when he is constantly groomed to run touchdowns and never think outside the box...every pun intended here.

Hence the field is often defaulted over to this kind of nonsense. But it is good politic..as long as no one thinks outside the box.


again..free..no cover charge,
Orangetom

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: BlueMule

No, they happened via psychic ability

Interesting, you got me thinking.
So did Jesus actually turn water into wine at the marriage ceremony at Cana or did he practise diabolical arts such as mind control to give the party goers the illusion that the water they were drinking was to their minds wine?

Well, there are some things about psi you need to understand. There are several categories, and everyone can do them all. We can all see the future, we can all remote view, we can all control matter with our minds, we can all do distant healing, remember past lives. It's not like the comics were only an X-man can do these things and regular people are left out in the cold.

The difference is, mystics develop and augment those abilities through mystical practice. The aim of mysticism is not to develop them, it's more of a side-effect. These abilities are called charisms in Catholicism and Iddhi in Buddhism, Siddhi in Brahmanism. They are a universal common denominator. Not unique to any one mystical tradition.

So in principle a mystic named Jesus could have used his developed psi to heal people, to see the future, to walk on water, and to change water to wine. In his cultural context, such things are miracles and magic. In ours, such things are psi. Underneath the change in terminology is the same thing.

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originally posted by: BlueMule

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: BlueMule

No, they happened via psychic ability

Interesting, you got me thinking.
So did Jesus actually turn water into wine at the marriage ceremony at Cana or did he practise diabolical arts such as mind control to give the party goers the illusion that the water they were drinking was to their minds wine?

Well, there are some things about psi you need to understand. There are several categories, and everyone can do them all. We can all see the future, we can all remote view, we can all control matter with our minds, we can all do distant healing, remember past lives. It's not like the comics were only an X-man can do these things and regular people are left out in the cold.

The difference is, mystics develop and augment those abilities through mystical practice. The aim of mysticism is not to develop them, it's more of a side-effect. These abilities are called charisms in Catholicism and Iddhi in Buddhism, Siddhi in Brahmanism. They are a universal common denominator. Not unique to any one mystical tradition.

So in principle a mystic named Jesus could have used his developed psi to heal people, to see the future, to walk on water, and to change water to wine. In his cultural context, such things are miracles and magic. In ours, such things are psi. Underneath the change in terminology is the same thing.

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Please explain the physics behind thinking atoms into existence and breaking the 1st law of thermodynamics.

a reply to: BlueMule

in pentecostal beliefs, which are typically (but not exclusively) protestant, they are called the gifts of the spirit.

originally posted by: Dewts

Please explain the physics behind thinking atoms into existence and breaking the 1st law of thermodynamics.

Your concern is irrelevant. First of all, not every religious cosmology in the world revolves around creation ex nihilo. Second, it's not even clear that Judeo-Christian cosmologies really do.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

So, trying to attack the concept of creation ex nihilo will get you nowhere. There is no materialism of the gaps for your beliefs to hide in.

If you expect me to respond to another one of your posts, then you had better quit indulging in willful ignorance and watch those vids I posted.

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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

okay i've read the first 2 links.

the messeh: that really cemented my theory that jesus was the last pharaoh and son of cleopatra, and that cleo was the virgin mary because she had been impregnated via artificial insemination by enki. not sure how he managed to transfer his own spirit into the fetus, though, but then that's always been a big question, regardless (et.al, how did god possess the body of the fetus of the unborn jesus). jesus had to be fully human in his flesh, however, for the deal to go thru, since that was apparently part of enlil's demand. he wrongfully assumed enki wouldn't be able to go thru with it, once he realized how degrading/difficult it was to be in a human body, while keeping enlil's impossible to keep law, and that he would cave to the pressure and take the easier, divine route and become enlil's indentured slave (rather than his co-equal). enlil lost the deal on both counts

the second link info on the ancient hebrews/illuminati and so forth, is just littered with disinfo and gems of knowledge. digging thru it all and separating disinfo from real info, would take a lifetime of effort. i, for one, am not a glutton for punishment, as a lifetime of debunking such a tangled up word salad, would most likely be met with indifference or reciprocal accusation. just not worth it.

originally posted by: BlueMule

originally posted by: Dewts

Please explain the physics behind thinking atoms into existence and breaking the 1st law of thermodynamics.

Your concern is irrelevant. First of all, not every religious cosmology in the world revolves around creation ex nihilo. Second, it's not even clear that Judeo-Christian cosmologies really do.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

So, trying to attack the concept of creation ex nihilo will get you nowhere. There is no materialism of the gaps for your beliefs to hide in.

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i've been saying the same thing for awhile now, and before me, a protestant (yes fundies are not all evil slave owning white greedy capitalist misogynist reptilian overlords) named finis jennings dake said the same, and there are probably countless others before and after him, that said the same, but all we keep hearing is the catholic version, which was passed down to the mainstream protestant beliefs, and is a primary avenue in which ancient texts are ruled to be myth-- it all starts with the vatican and catholic higher critics of the enlightenment, and goes downhill from there.

for example, in the second verse of genesis 1, it says the earth BECAME void and desolate, not that the world WAS void and desolate (in the original hebrew, the word "was" is not listed as the translation of the word, instead it is BECOME, which in the correct past tense, is BECAME, not WAS.)

Maybe not directly associated with the subject but in my opinion all religions do the same, they slow down technological advancement. And beginnings of that behavior could be deep in history, it's a proven fact that Christianity, Judaism and other major religions have roots in more ancient religions. This article is about ancient Indian religious text, it doesn't seem religious to me.
www.paranormalnot.com...

originally posted by: BlueMule

originally posted by: Dewts

Please explain the physics behind thinking atoms into existence and breaking the 1st law of thermodynamics.

Your concern is irrelevant. First of all, not every religious cosmology in the world revolves around creation ex nihilo. Second, it's not even clear that Judeo-Christian cosmologies really do.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

So, trying to attack the concept of creation ex nihilo will get you nowhere. There is no materialism of the gaps for your beliefs to hide in.

If you expect me to respond to another one of your posts, then you had better quit indulging in willful ignorance and watch those vids I posted.

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I wasn't talking about creation, I was talking about water to wine. Yes, we are still there. Either Jesus, by your reckoning, created atoms out of thin air, breaking the first law of thermodynamics, or he used the particles from the atoms already in water, and rearrainged their numbers to make new atoms. Of course if that happened the bible story neglected to mention the subsequent nuclear explosion that wiped out Jesus, Mary, the wedding party, and the whole town.

Please explain.

originally posted by: petkoshone
Maybe not directly associated with the subject but in my opinion all religions do the same, they slow down technological advancement. And beginnings of that behavior could be deep in history, it's a proven fact that Christianity, Judaism and other major religions have roots in more ancient religions. This article is about ancient Indian religious text, it doesn't seem religious to me.
www.paranormalnot.com...

every world view that describes how we came about and enacts laws based on the moral values of "righteous" or "learned" masters, is religious by definition, particularly since religion was originally, a set of laws by which the government was run.

a reply to: Dewts

alternatively, they could've used a replicator. i mean, if we can imagine, it's probably possible to create it.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Dewts

alternatively, they could've used a replicator. i mean, if we can imagine, it's probably possible to create it.

A technological explanation is (literally) infinitely more likely than a magical one. Of course there is still no evidence that any of the gospel stories actually happened at all. But if we are taking the happenings in the stories as fact then I would definitely look into a technological explanation before anything else.

a reply to: undo

Will happen in 10 years or so with bio 3d printing.

a reply to: Dewts

then you just gotta read the story of enoch, where he witnesses a super massive black hole, first hand while in the company of an angel. he asks the angel what he is looking at because it scares the heck out of him. the angel explains that the stars trapped in the gravity well of the black hole are being punished by god because they didn't rise punctually and therefore, didn't obey god's laws. lol now if you read between the lines, you know because of science, that what the angel was saying was, the stars caught in the gravity well of the black hole, had just gotten too close in their orbits and were dragged via the LAWS of gravity and physics, into the gravity well.


the book of enoch was written 1000s of years ago

watch this cool clip . hehe

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Dewts

then you just gotta read the story of enoch, where he witnesses a super massive black hole, first hand while in the company of an angel. he asks the angel what he is looking at because it scares the heck out of him. the angel explains that the stars trapped in the gravity well of the black hole are being punished by god because they didn't rise punctually and therefore, didn't obey god's laws. lol now if you read between the lines, you know because of science, that what the angel was saying was, the stars caught in the gravity well of the black hole, had just gotten too close in their orbits and were dragged via the LAWS of gravity and physics, into the gravity well.


the book of enoch was written 1000s of years ago

watch this cool clip . hehe

You mentioned this last night and I tried to find the relevant passages by googling, but I wasn't having much luck. I few sights talking about it, but nothing quoting the book itself.
Can you give a link or quote from the book itself?

book of enoch

CHAPTER XVIII

11. And I saw a deep abyss, with columns ⌈⌈of heavenly fire, and among them I saw columns⌉⌉ of fire fall, which were beyond measure alike towards the height and towards the depth. 12. And beyond that abyss I saw a place which had no firmament of the heaven above, and no firmly founded earth beneath it: there was no water upon it, and no birds, but it was a waste and horrible place. 13. I saw there seven stars like great burning mountains, and to me, when I inquired regarding them, 14. The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. 15. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. 16. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) ⌈for ten thousand years⌉.'

CHAPTER XXI.

1. And I proceeded to where things were chaotic. 2. And I saw there something horrible: I saw neither a heaven above nor a firmly founded earth, but a place chaotic and horrible. 3. And there I saw seven stars of the heaven bound together in it, like great mountains and burning with fire. 4. Then I said: 'For what sin are they bound, and on what account have they been cast in hither?' 5. Then said Uriel, one of the holy angels, who was with me, and was chief over them, and said: 'Enoch, why dost thou ask, and why art thou eager for the truth? 6. These are of the number of the stars ⌈of heaven⌉, which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and are bound here till ten thousand years, the time entailed by their sins, are consummated.' 7. And from thence I went to another place, which was still more horrible than the former, and I saw a horrible thing: a great fire there which burnt and blazed, and the place was cleft as far as the abyss, being full of great descending columns of fire: neither its extent or magnitude could I see, nor could I conjecture. 8. Then I said: 'How fearful is the place and how terrible to look upon!' 9. Then Uriel answered me, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: 'Enoch, why hast thou such fear and affright?' And I answered: 'Because of this fearful place, and because of the spectacle of the pain.' 10. And he said ⌈⌈unto me⌉⌉: 'This place is the prison of the angels, and here they will be imprisoned for ever.'