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The working class revolution in America

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posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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I hear a lot of people saying that fast food jobs, and even some retail jobs are not "careers".

Granted, you probably won't find many people who retire flipping burgers. However, there has to be someone to do it. There aren't enough teenagers that can afford to live with Mom & Dad working 15 hour work weeks to fill them. These jobs inevitably fall to adults looking to survive.

The people that mop floors, change light bulbs, clean public bathrooms, and wait tables should all be able to have some base line standard of living without having to rely on government assistance. Someone has to still do these jobs.

There simply are not enough high paying jobs out there for everyone, and not everyone is cut out to be an executive or engineer.

We have the money, the technology, and the resources to create a veritable utopia on Earth -- but we never allow ourselves to see our potential. Instead we squabble among ourselves and fight over the crumbs of the greediest among us. We let the top 100 richest people on Earth dictate what we are worth.
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posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 01:44 PM
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We need a buisness model that is less predatory on it's workers yet allows for the rebuilding of our industries,as taxes drove them to create overseas basing I wonder about emergency amnesty and legal interpretation.
Socialism ENTIRELY is not the answer, Capitalism has destroyed the country's economic strengths.
WHAT about a creative blend of the two.
OF COURSE that would only work AFTER the laws are adhered to and enforced.
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posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 01:46 PM
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Hi Onequestion, you're right on in your thoughts and analysis and I also enjoy your other threads and comment shere on ATS
Peace
Arjunanda. a reply to: onequestion

Oh and S&F




posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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"We have now an entire generation with no purchasing power and one of the hardest markets ever in this country to start your own small business. "

I also like your focus on small business and entrepreneurship.

"US has highest tax rate for business owners" heard that before I'm sure
But big corps pay little or no tax, and some poor roofer or plumber who doesn't have the resources to cheat the system, ends up paying " highest tax rate in the world"


The answer isn't to simply raise the rates.

The answer is to lower them and simplify the code to a flat tax. Everyone pays the same rate, no special anything about it.
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posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
We need a buisness model that is less predatory on it's workers yet allows for the rebuilding of our industries,as taxes drove them to create overseas basing I wonder about emergency amnesty and legal interpretation.
Socialism ENTIRELY is not the answer, Capitalism has destroyed the country's economic strengths.
WHAT about a creative blend of the two.
OF COURSE that would only work AFTER the laws are adhered to and enforced.


We have a "creative" blend of the two now. It's called corporatism, and it doesn't work.



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: Bilk22

a truly communistic society is a pipe dream as is a truly capitalistic society. Yes both could work. But not with Human beings.

two things rule jealousy and greed. the greedy use jealousy as a tool to dictate the citizenry. Most common people are dictated by their own feelings of jealousy than some personal greed. Thats why there is so much hate going around. turn on the television....look at all the beautiful people....look what they have....these people are all just so great. Life is not fair......now go apply for food-stamps...free phones...etc. etc. make other people pay for it. Forget about hard work and self sacrifice...other people help you because because your so relevant to the world while you do nothing....and produce nothing.



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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Cloward-Piven.

The top comes down while the bottom rises up, and those of us left in the middle are squashed out and destroyed. Then you replace it with a truly communist society. The Workers Paradise.



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7

thats what we have now. capitalism for the 1% and socialism for the other 99%.

how about we switch it around LOL. I am sure the 1% would be willing to give up all their wealth to make the serfs more comfortable. Very few people in history have been willing to do that. People like Jesus Christ and George Washington. Jesus wasnt even a 1% either. heck, he may have had a death wish



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: HighFive

"Until the federal reserve is gone and the dollar is not messed up nothing will change. People blame wages........It is inflation and the dollar being messed up. "

I agree there's not enough oversight over the FR, and constant debt cycle driving inflation.

But there are things that could get done in congress now to keep companies from moving to korea(TPP), reform to the over complicated tax system, maybe flat tax along with closing loopholes to keep profits in America. Lowering taxes for true small businesses,






posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Good words, friend. I was thinking the same thing. I have a bachelors degree and have been looking for work... I just applied at Quisnos, for example. An older person I know used to work in a factory and earned $60,000 for that.

People used to have just the dad work in factories and were able to afford to buy their own homes and cars. Now many of the jobs available to the same class pay low hourly wages that are barely enough to afford an apartment.

Some people have to apply for welfare in order to make ends meet. In fact, it could be said that the corporations are using the welfare system as an excuse to not pay living wages - they expect people to get on welfare, so don't pay them enough to live on.

I am on board with the new political party.
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posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: HighFive

That thumbs down was meant to be next to TPP...

Sorry
Newbie



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: KawRider9
Most folks are shocked when I tell them how much a 10 dollar per hour employee actually costs.




The average person has NO idea of the concepts of allowable overhead and what goes into it. Most of the engineering industry works with government contracts and, as such, we are pegged to FAR (Federal Acquisition Rules) that determine not only our allowable overhead rates, but also our allowable profit percentage. That $10/hr employee actually costs a company somewhere in the neighborhood of $30/hr when overhead, tech charges, and indirect compensation is calculated and that is frequently a case of a company spending $30/hr to make a profit of $1/hr on the services rendered. If you are damned fortunate enough to be able to disconnect from the FAR rates, then you can maybe turn that into $30 spent for $3 earned... but that has to be a special case.

The average person also has no concept of risk/reward contracting... They see a company with a lump sum contract for $1 million dollars and immediately bristle if it is disclosed that a company made a $250,000 profit off of a similar contract previously. The issue is the average person doesn't understand the degree of risk involved. Should the company with the contract run into issues on the project, they're still stuck doing the work for the agreed to $1 million (assuming the overall scope wasn't changed by the client), regardless the cost to the contractor.

This also plays a role in the ridiculous criticism of honest-to-God business owners regarding their profits. Those owners don't just own the company, they own the RISK. Risk equals potentially devastating losses and if profits were taxed to hell or government mandates were enacted restricting those profits, what is the benefit to that owner to take the risk in the first place? It ceases to be business at that point and simply becomes high stakes gambling for low payouts. In other words, a fool's game.



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
There simply are not enough high paying jobs out there for everyone, and not everyone is cut out to be an executive or engineer.


...then not everyone is cut out to live that lifestyle. There was a time, not all that long ago, when things like cable TV, a second car, cell phones, internet, toys, and an expensive vacation were considered luxury items... Just because little Susie simple can't live without her daily text-a-thon sessions, doesn't mean a smartphone is a necessity.



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: agenda51

Laws are being circumvented RIGHT and left so ,obviously we do not.



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: HighFive

The federal reserve was put in place to destroy the dollar slowly over time.....It worked. It has lost 90% of it's value since. Until the dollar is fixed none of the other things even matter. You could keep raising wages inflation will eat them up over time.




100,000 a year family income used to equal the good life.......That is not the case anymore.



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: agenda51

Laws are being circumvented RIGHT and left so ,obviously we do not.





Truth be told the many of the laws are actually unconstitutional. So by definition the laws are illegal. The war on drugs is the perfect example.



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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The biggest issue facing workers is too many cheifs and not enough indians. Too many laws, taxes and regulations (look at the money colorado made by removing regulations on marijuana). Finally corporations bending to the wishes of their shareholders while ignoring the needs of their workers.

We need a revolution, but preferably not a bolshevik, or french style revolution. One that gives us freedom in all aspects of life.
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posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: asmall89
The biggest issue facing workers is too many cheifs and not enough indians. Too many laws, taxes and regulations (look at the money colorado made by removing regulations on marijuana). Finally corporations bending to the wishes of their shareholders while ignoring the needs of their workers.

We need a revolution, but preferably not a bolshevik, or french style revolution. One that gives us freedom in all aspects of life.




Until inflation is stopped everything you pointed is a mute point. I do agree with you but we have to stop looking at the symptoms and go after the disease.



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Problem is the lowest wage earners can not afford to live anymore. If you make under 30,000 a year life is going to become impossible.



I do agree with everything you said. You need a spectrum of workers.



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: SubTruth

thats exactly right. there are no laws anymore. its all an illusion of rules for the 99% to follow while the 1% just do whatever they want. if the illusion of all this is ever lifted society as we know it will collapse. even the value of the monetary system is an illusion. its faith based value. if that faith is lost its all useless. thats why you see alot buying metals and even bullets..prepping..whatever. Holding on to massive amounts of faith based currency is risky.



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