Question to those who say being gay is a choice?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
In some cases it's a deliberate choice; for example guys in prison doing life, in others it's in their nature and they exhibit those proclivities from an early age. However, it just seems logical to me that if you're feeding a young child meat and dairy that's been pumped full of female hormones it's going to have an impact on their development. If that can be proved then it's the only part I'd have a moral issue with.

How many times must it be said? Committing a same sex act does not make you gay.

Homosexuality has been around long before animals were pumped with hormones. And as far as all that I've read ---- there has not been an increase in the percentage of homosexuals.

www.bio.net...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

scitechdaily.com...

originally posted by: Cuervo

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
In some cases it's a deliberate choice; for example guys in prison doing life, in others it's in their nature and they exhibit those proclivities from an early age. However, it just seems logical to me that if you're feeding a young child meat and dairy that's been pumped full of female hormones it's going to have an impact on their development. If that can be proved then it's the only part I'd have a moral issue with.

How would that change in development result in a person being gay? Hormones don't make you gay. Otherwise, people on hormone therapy would always change sexual orientation.

That's not really a logical conclusion. If it is true and I'm not saying I know either way; it would depend what hormones were introduced and at what stage of development the recipient was in as well as physiological predisposition.

a reply to: JohnFisher

Thank you for the star...I did stray from the OP original question and do apologise as I don't want to turn this thread into a religious debate so I appreciate your politeness. In my opinion the choice of being gay is the same as those of heterosexuals, you are born with genes that drive your sexual preferences, you are born that way but how you act on them is a choice. The choice being you can deny or embrace who you are, love is love between adults of either sex and the world would be a better place if we just accepted people for who they are and save our vilification ' s for those who deserve it .....politicians.

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
In some cases it's a deliberate choice; for example guys in prison doing life, in others it's in their nature and they exhibit those proclivities from an early age. However, it just seems logical to me that if you're feeding a young child meat and dairy that's been pumped full of female hormones it's going to have an impact on their development. If that can be proved then it's the only part I'd have a moral issue with.

How many times must it be said? Committing a same sex act does not make you gay.

Homosexuality has been around long before animals were pumped with hormones. And as far as all that I've read ---- there has not been an increase in the percentage of homosexuals.

www.bio.net...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

scitechdaily.com...

I'd need to personally research all those.

I've been following this subject for about 20 years. Reports tend to be misleading. Science reports often turn out to be blogs of individuals opinions rather then fact.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
In some cases it's a deliberate choice; for example guys in prison doing life, in others it's in their nature and they exhibit those proclivities from an early age. However, it just seems logical to me that if you're feeding a young child meat and dairy that's been pumped full of female hormones it's going to have an impact on their development. If that can be proved then it's the only part I'd have a moral issue with.

How many times must it be said? Committing a same sex act does not make you gay.

Homosexuality has been around long before animals were pumped with hormones. And as far as all that I've read ---- there has not been an increase in the percentage of homosexuals.

www.bio.net...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

scitechdaily.com...

I'd need to personally research all those.

I've been following this subject for about 20 years. Reports tend to be misleading. Science reports often turn out to be blogs of individuals opinions rather then fact.

Sorry to tell you, there is no such thing as pure subjective science. It's all tainted with biases and prejudices.... even from 'professionals', surprisingly.

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
In some cases it's a deliberate choice; for example guys in prison doing life, in others it's in their nature and they exhibit those proclivities from an early age. However, it just seems logical to me that if you're feeding a young child meat and dairy that's been pumped full of female hormones it's going to have an impact on their development. If that can be proved then it's the only part I'd have a moral issue with.

How many times must it be said? Committing a same sex act does not make you gay.

Homosexuality has been around long before animals were pumped with hormones. And as far as all that I've read ---- there has not been an increase in the percentage of homosexuals.

www.bio.net...

Provide any kind of official credentials for: James Michael Howard www.anthropogeny.com...

And your reference report is from 2002.

The Truth... It Can be a choice. You can change the brains wiring, people do it all the time, certainly the flexibility to LOVE anyone is there, certainly Fetishes happen based on exposure and chemistry, this of course can be changed, male homosexuality can be induced very easily actually...stimulation of extra "talk" between the hemispheres, the tools are almost "lay person" these days

but let me relate a story...

About a year ago, my BP sky rocketed, my doctor prescribed me meds... as he handed them to me I said "tell me the truth, will I be on these the rest of my life? or can I fix this myself by getting healthy"

He responded "of course you can, but no one ever does..." then thrust the meds in my hand...

Well a year later my BP is perfect and I threw the meds in the garbage just to finish the story but it took... effort, swimming, diet, weights, the whole 9 yards... extreme effort.

Your Mind is no different than my BP

But you'd need

A deep willingness and desire, now for health you see people do it all the time, people make Cancer remiss without surgery even... but your life is at stake...

where is the "desire" to subject oneself to literally... deprogramming when it's something they enjoy and isn't hurting them?

Let me assure you, it can be done... only allow orgasm to specific material, add chemicals that make the brain rewire quicker, a matter of months... There are guys out there who get off only to loafers with strawberries on them lol from just jerking off at home to loafers with strawberries on them while high...

You can fetish to ANYTHING and you will not get it up to anything but that Fetish (it's actually a serious problem since porn came to the interwebs)

Hetero is just the MAIN way people end up Fetishing because they are kind of wired that way hormonal from the get go... Homosexual is rising because of yeah, society, tv, chemical variances in the womb...a lot of reasons... But we can't pretend MILLIONS of Fetishists out there don't have distinct sexuality in the "other" category and it's well known how it works...

The real issue is WHY?

Why would people do it if they are happy? and the answer to the question is They WON'T, not everything is about CAN and CAN'T

I changed myself dramatically so i wouldn't freakin die... and that's about the only motivation there is for Massive Personal Change, even under threat of Death the doc was right... "Nobody makes the changes" 99% of people go on meds and await the first heart attack, the 1% that says I want to live... move it to .01% for people who aren't going to die but rather are getting off lol

In other words can I prove what i'm saying, maybe via people who exist in real numbers who "eliminate" their fetishes because they are so freakin weird they are miserable or go to jail and stuff, but in reality how many people will ever demonstrate the ability in regards to Homosexuality when if asked to do so the response is universally to be like "hell no" in regards to even trying.

Anyone here want to volunteer to reprogram themselves Gay?

See what I mean?

originally posted by: MarkJS

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
In some cases it's a deliberate choice; for example guys in prison doing life, in others it's in their nature and they exhibit those proclivities from an early age. However, it just seems logical to me that if you're feeding a young child meat and dairy that's been pumped full of female hormones it's going to have an impact on their development. If that can be proved then it's the only part I'd have a moral issue with.

How many times must it be said? Committing a same sex act does not make you gay.

Homosexuality has been around long before animals were pumped with hormones. And as far as all that I've read ---- there has not been an increase in the percentage of homosexuals.

www.bio.net...

www.dailymail.co.uk...

scitechdaily.com...

I'd need to personally research all those.

I've been following this subject for about 20 years. Reports tend to be misleading. Science reports often turn out to be blogs of individuals opinions rather then fact.

Sorry to tell you, there is no such thing as pure subjective science. It's all tainted with biases and prejudices.... even from 'professionals', surprisingly.

If you don't have credentials ---- doesn't matter if you're Einstein ---- you'll never get it officially recognized.

Actually, I think, from memory, Einstein's ideas were published only because someone else did it.

a reply to: thepitpony

We can agree on politicians, and we can agree that the sexual practices belong in the bedroom so-to-speak. It's not my, or anyone else's business what other people do with themselves. I'm glad to move this discussion past "religiosity". I felt the need to correct and clarify points of the faith as best I could.

I think the only thing we really disagree on is whether or not embracing certain aspects of oneself and his "nature" is a good thing.

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
In some cases it's a deliberate choice; for example guys in prison doing life, in others it's in their nature and they exhibit those proclivities from an early age. However, it just seems logical to me that if you're feeding a young child meat and dairy that's been pumped full of female hormones it's going to have an impact on their development. If that can be proved then it's the only part I'd have a moral issue with.

How many times must it be said? Committing a same sex act does not make you gay.

Homosexuality has been around long before animals were pumped with hormones. And as far as all that I've read ---- there has not been an increase in the percentage of homosexuals.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

I'm not going to research everything, but here's an article from one of the researchers listed in the Daily Mail article.

She does not say homosexuality is a choice. It is an interesting article, more along the lines of human bonding.

www.gaystarnews.com...

I am pretty sure it is a choice.

I believe this because it can be made from being an outcast, having poor luck with the opposite sex, being raised by gay parents or the ridiculous amounts of programming via TV / Radio / Internet as the new 'norm'.

Biologically; our species, or any species for that matter, can only reproduce through intercourse: Male + Female. It is a personal belief of mine that once you start manipulating this, Things get real bad.

First off I'm not homophobic or against gay people in any way. I look at the "issue" from a perspective based on procreation. Any species that exists needs to procreate in order to keep their species going. Now the only way to procreate is for a male to mate with a female. That is natures blueprint for procreation. When people say being gay is natural I think about this: 2 males or 2 females can NOT create life. This is an obvious fact so my question is how would nature rationalize someone being attracted to the same sex when there's no way for them to procreate? Maybe it's purely for sexual gratification I don't know, again I'm looking at this from the perspective of nature so it's certainly not for procreation.

originally posted by: cj6
First off I'm not homophobic or against gay people in any way. I look at the "issue" from a perspective based on procreation. Any species that exists needs to procreate in order to keep their species going. Now the only way to procreate is for a male to mate with a female. That is natures blueprint for procreation. When people say being gay is natural I think about this: 2 males or 2 females can NOT create life. This is an obvious fact so my question is how would nature rationalize someone being attracted to the same sex when there's no way for them to procreate? Maybe it's purely for sexual gratification I don't know, again I'm looking at this from the perspective of nature so it's certainly not for procreation.

Their sexual organs are not broken. Homosexuals have been reproducing the "normal" way forever.

How would you cope or feel if society forced you to live as a homosexual?

originally posted by: cj6
First off I'm not homophobic or against gay people in any way. I look at the "issue" from a perspective based on procreation. Any species that exists needs to procreate in order to keep their species going. Now the only way to procreate is for a male to mate with a female. That is natures blueprint for procreation. When people say being gay is natural I think about this: 2 males or 2 females can NOT create life. This is an obvious fact so my question is how would nature rationalize someone being attracted to the same sex when there's no way for them to procreate? Maybe it's purely for sexual gratification I don't know, again I'm looking at this from the perspective of nature so it's certainly not for procreation.

So, infertile humans shouldn't be attracted to each other?

Humans who have been in some sort of accident that damages their ability to procreate ... shouldn't be attracted to each other?

Humans past the age of child-bearing shouldn't be attracted to each other?

I mean, I'm just looking at it from the perspective of nature ...

originally posted by: LeoStarchild
I am pretty sure it is a choice.

I believe this because it can be made from being an outcast, having poor luck with the opposite sex, being raised by gay parents or the ridiculous amounts of programming via TV / Radio / Internet as the new 'norm'.

Biologically; our species, or any species for that matter, can only reproduce through intercourse: Male + Female. It is a personal belief of mine that once you start manipulating this, Things get real bad.

If it's a choice, why not choose to be gay and find out? Prove your theory.

Yes, walk into any gay club and look at the throngs of outcasts, the crowds of socially awkward folks dancing, talking and playing together.

While you're there, notice the number of women gathered around even an average looking gay man.

Check the statistics on the offspring of gay parents.

Well, given that there is and has been an overwhelming majority of straight portrayals on TV, Radio and Internet for the last 80 years (as appropriate to the given media) I wonder how all these gay folks showed up?

I'm not aware of anyone manipulating the way procreation works, unless you're talking about in vitro fertilization etc. which have helped far more heterosexual couples have children than gay ones.

"Things get real bad" eh? Bad how? Plagues of frogs and locusts? Rivers turning to blood? That kind of thing?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Ugh what I meant was only a male and a female can create life naturally. If homosexuality was "natural" then how can a species that consists of only males or one that consists of only females possibly procreate?? Nature did not give that option and please don't say something redundant like adoption, I hardly think nature intended people to be homosexual so they can have each other's children.

If it's in nature, then it's natural and homosexuality occurs in nature.

a reply to: cj6

Ugh what I meant was only a male and a female can create life naturally. If homosexuality was "natural" then how can a species that consists of only males or one that consists of only females possibly procreate?? Nature did not give that option and please don't say something redundant like adoption, I hardly think nature intended people to be homosexual so they can have each other's children.

That have been answered thousands and thousands of times.

Homosexual people are born IN nature. Nature causes it. There are many homosexuals in animal kingdom. So nature must have a good reason for it.

There is a lot of evidence to support that homosexuality is nature's population control.

a reply to: LeoStarchild

I believe this because it can be made from being an outcast, having poor luck with the opposite sex, being raised by gay parents or the ridiculous amounts of programming via TV / Radio / Internet as the new 'norm'.

LOL if that was the case there'd be more gay kids in school.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Natures population control? That speaks for itself then my friend. I guess nature couldn't some up with a better way to control the population? Not natural disasters or disease or famine? Nope homosexuality is the answer to population control