What is a more extreme position? Conspiracies don't happen or Conspiracies always happen?

What is a more extreme position? Conspiracies don't happen or Conspiracies always happen?

The first question is easily answered by, conspiracy theories have been proven to be true in the past, so the most extreme would be "conspiracies don't happen."

What is a more extreme position? Conspiracies don't happen or Conspiracies always happen?

Second question are both equally extreme, but you could say because there are less conspiracies than real things, you could make a case for "believing everything is a conspiracy"...so it will be more how you look at it.

What has history shown us about conspiracies and about the people that conduct the conspiracies?

They exist, some might be proved later on, and it`s good to doubt the official story because that will make some conspiracy theories become conspiracy fact later on.

a reply to: wasaka

What are you talking about? There is no new world order.

Everyone calling for a new world order or global governance is a conspiracy theorist.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
What is a more extreme position? Conspiracies don't happen or Conspiracies always happen?
What is the more extreme position? Believing everything is a conspiracy or believing conspiracies never happen?


What has history shown us about conspiracies and about the people that conduct the conspiracies?

Saying conspiracies never happen is far more extreme. Many conspiracies have been proven true in the past. That said, saying nothing is a conspiracy has less credibility than those who try to put rational thought to questions and explain them.

a reply to: Aazadan

I guess I have a different measure of extremity.

To me it is more likely that any given event is less likely to be a conspiracy than it is to actually be one. So it is more extreme to think that everything is a conspiracy than to say that nothing is even though we know there are conspiracies.

Each end of the spectrum is equally unlikely. Not everything can be a conspiracy just as we know it's impossible for nothing to be a conspiracy.

a reply to: ketsuko

And what if we are living in a simulation?

Surely that counts as everything being a conspiracy?

Possibility wise at least.



However, that is the only example I can think of where "everything" is concerned.



I'm still more inclined to say it's more extreme to say they never happen...

Think NSA...
People laughed at for years for suggesting we are being listened to...

Or Project Stargate...
People laughed at for years for suggesting telepathic messages were being directed into their brains...

Still laughed at by people who haven't heard of/researched Project Stargate.


9/11 is still up in the air...
JFK, hmmm, seen simulations with the same weapon from the same vantage point and it's impossible for the OS to be true...
Especially with a moving target...


Depends on the Cabal as well...

If it's political, I tend to think that's extreme...
Bloodlines is more plausible, but still doesn't account for people who have empathy in abundance...
If it wasn't exposed, it would be fought at least...
Sort of like an in-war at the top.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: wasaka

What are you talking about? There is no new world order.

Everyone calling for a new world order or global governance is a conspiracy theorist.

Right. Disregard my reference to book written in 1928.
What ever you do, do not read “The Open Conspiracy:
Blue Prints for a World Revolution” by H. G. Wells or
anything else written by any Fabian socialist.

Nothing to see... move on

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

If we are living in a simulation, then everything and everyone IS the conspiracy which kind of negates the conspiracy ... don't you think?

Incoming "thought". Deniability not good. Brutal truth not good. Either way is a double-edged sword. Both extremes take on some irrefutable facts. But in my opinion only, I'd say disclosure is a good gauge on testing "trust" on these facts. [/ rambling off].

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

That they never happen.

A person can become crazy with seeing them everywhere but thats understandable. A person that believes they never happen is just a moron.

The idea of the New World Order is dead on arrival.
12160.info...

Obama's campaign ad saying women should vote for him as if their private parts depended on it, illustrates my point. The lust for political power and importance is sexual, no one realized that before. Kissinger admitted it when he said, "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac." Seventy year old Silvio Berluscioni in Italy, fell when he was exposed for having sexual intercourse with a minor, and running parties with prostitutes at his house. It's the reign of perverts. There is a link below at the end of this article that lists all the court convictions of the all pedophiles in the British government. There are lots of cases.

a reply to: ketsuko

The best, most believable conspiracies are also the smallest.

Precisely the reason that larger conspiracies often go unnoticed...
It's also the reason that thinking nothing is a conspiracy is the more "extreme" end of the spectrum ("extreme" being, the more dangerous of the two, in this case)....

“A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the Nation and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the world - no longer a Government of free opinion no longer a Government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men.... Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” – Woodrow Wilson - In The New Freedom (1913)

The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent.

"How the Federal Reserve bought the economics profession" (and not just the economics profession. This applies in various ways in various sectors of our society)

I just think you throw out the extremes on either side.

Their are people on ATS that literally blame the CIA , NSA, America for every single event that has ever happened anywhere in this history of the world. Those same people refuse to believe that their are evil people in the world unless they are somehow controlled by TPTB so every event is a false flag. Those same people believe that just because you are successful or financially viable you are automatically evil while just because you are poor somehow makes you more noble.

Conversely their are people that bury their heads in the sand. That refuse to believe that agenda's, plots or schemes exist. They only believe in the vague boogie man out there waiting to do whatever as a random act of violence.

To me both types of people are equally as extreme and typically equally as hard to try and have logical discussions with.

"Conspiracies don't happen" is more extreme, because conspiracies are part of every aspect of life. Adults lying to their kids about Santa is a "conspiracy". If there are conspiracies even in "innocent" everyday life examples, then of course there are even more conspiracies where money and power are involved. "Conspiracies always happen" is much closer to the truth.

Saying "there are no conspiracies" is like saying "There is no UFO" (Ufo is just unidentified flying object, not aliens/spaceships).

IF 2 people make any plan they are conspiring, no biggie.

a reply to: opethPA

Their are people on ATS that literally blame the CIA , NSA, America for every single event that has ever happened anywhere in this history of the world.

But don`t you think, with a budget of 50 billion Dollar, a lot of proved False Flags in our history and this going on...

The Golden Age of Black Ops – In Fiscal 2015 U.S. Special Forces Have Already Deployed to 105 Nations

...that maybe not everything, but a good deal might have CIA fingerprints on them ?

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
What is a more extreme position? Conspiracies don't happen or Conspiracies always happen?
What is the more extreme position? Believing everything is a conspiracy or believing conspiracies never happen?


What has history shown us about conspiracies and about the people that conduct the conspiracies?

If you go by logic and reason, then it's more extreme to suggest that conspiracies always happen, because there is always the requirement for proof in order to make something true.

Conspiracies do happen, we know this, but we can only be sure of these examples because there has been COMPELLING evidence to prove it to be so. Without that evidence, a theory is just a theory. Some are more rational than others, but these are only more rational because of probability, available information, discrepancies etc..

Kind of a tricky question. If you go with the position of "Conspiracies never happen" that you're excluding something that all the evidence suggest acctually has happend. But the same position also gives you more right than wrong, since most things are not conspiracies.
Guess it could be argued either way. Neither extrem is very scientific.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: wasaka

Yes, but an agenda is NOT a conspiracy.

I know that the media has their agendas. But everyone should know that by now. If everyone knows it, it's not a conspiracy which are by their very nature, hidden and secret.

if at first they were hidden and secret, then exposed, it is still a conspiracy.
1...gulf of Tonkin resolution in the 60's
2...CDC syphilis experiment back in the 30's
3..."downwinders", known civilian exposer to nuclear test fallout in the 50's
4...Iran-contra in the 80's
5...Watergate in the 70's
6...bush and company lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to get us into war in the 2000's
these are six exposed conspiracies involving the highest level of our government

a reply to: jimmyx

Add operation paperclip.
Add the UN treaty by the soviet union and the united states to never use weather as a weapon.
Add the original redacted scans of operation northwoods,operation gladio,and operation ajax.

Those are solid.

The official story apologists can't dismiss those as easily and some of the more complicated conspiracies.

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

IMO, conspiracies are rare. So believing that they never happen is closer to the truth than believing that they always happen.

However, we do know that some conspiracies ended up being true, so claiming conspiracies never happen is just denying reality.