Is John Kerry really this stupid?

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

When is the last time you heard Isreal threaten an unprovoked offensive using nukes against another country?

Don't get me wrong--let the ME annihilate itself, as they've been trying to do for millenia, but to pretend that Iran does not want nuclear technology for nefarious purposes is an active attempt to ignore their past statements.

Kind of an empty question since both American and Israeli "official" policy states that Israel doesn't have nukes, eh?

Yet, everyone knows that they do. Everyone knows that they would use them, probably without much hesitation.

originally posted by: vkey08
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Which is again true because Iraq started the Iran / Iraq war when they invaded Iran..

With prompting, support and military assistance from ....

a reply to: Gryphon66

OH YES they do:
fas.org...

THEY just won't USE them like Iran would.

US and Russia already have enough nucklear weapons to whipe us clean many times over. And you People dont think that is a problem?

Israel have 200 off these suckers. And Israel is 10 times more violent than Iran. You people dont see that as a problem?

I think People on this site who actually think that its a problem if Iran gets the weapon. Are Clue less.

Iran cant use the weapon. Because everyone knows what happeneds after that. So its not a problem if they build one.

I am more scared of the US, they have their nucklear weapons as a first stike solution. And you guys dot think that is a problem??? What are you People stupid?

Even if Iran makes it its first stike solution they are no more different than the US. Grow a some sense People.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The US to include WMDs which bush tried to recover,but Russian Spetnaz moved to Syria...

a reply to: tothetenthpower

i know that the U.S. was becoming more critical of his use of power and social policies.

well i did a little digging, and it turns out that the U.S. didn't want him to stay.
but they didn't want Khomeini either.

check this out. listen closely starting at the 1:37 mark.
Jan. 9, 1979: Shah of Iran

the U.S. was probably backing Bathktiar

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Gryphon66

OH YES they do:
fas.org...

THEY just won't USE them like Iran would.

Why do you believe that to be true?

What possible military advantage could Iran achieve by the use of a nuke or two? That would give Israel and the US a valid excuse to pave Persia in glass.

You're a military man. Does Iran using a single or even a few nukes make any tactical sense?

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Gryphon66

The US to include WMDs which bush tried to recover,but Russian Spetnaz moved to Syria...

Are you talking about Iraq? How did the Russians move these weapons when Iraq (I'm assuming) was under some of the most focused surveillance known to man at the time?

a reply to: spy66

I think the main fear is Iran would quickly & actively use them against Israel, causing a MAD event very quickly. Sure, all the other countries you listed have them, yet haven't decimated the globe yet. But like you said, they have no qualms in doing so, they just don't want to be the first shot.

I'm looking forward to it, personally.

a reply to: spy66

No Tovaricht we don't strike first or Russia would be a cinder by now.
We are not AT ALL like an Islamic republic the Govt uses MONEY to beat and control people ,weapons are to obvious, easy to trace and would show responsability,they don't DO that.
Unlike the current admin they are QUITE good at secrecty or the American public would rise up.
AS is stands now they are all conspiracy theories and conjecture that are only proven OUTSIDE the US inflence and as such are onstantly dismissable by the system.

It really makes me sick to see people here accusing Israel of genocide. Israel has not and has never commited genocide. The Jews are however, victims of genocide. If not for their force of arms they would become victims again.

Also the claim that Israel has launched unprovoked attacks upon it's neighbors - also untrue. They have only ever acted in response to ceaseless rocket attacks fired upon them by Hezbollah. If not for Iron Dome there would be thousands of Israelis dead today.

There is a double standard when it comes to Israel - and it's that they are never allowed to bear down on their enemies with their full force of arms. If the Canada treated the United States like Iran treats Israel, we would have invaded Canada decades ago.

The enemy here is Iran and the extremist ideology that they are breeding throughout the Middle East. No one else.

a reply to: peskyhumans

Do you feel better after that rant? Whenever you feel ready to back your claims up with links instead of the standard Israeli rhetoric that we've all heard to justify Israel's transgressions would be great.

Perhaps you'd like to also justify why Israel is allowed to go against international law and be the only country with an unregistered nuclear arsenal while at the same time vehemently trying to keep another country from getting nuclear arms.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: spy66

No Tovaricht we don't strike first or Russia would be a cinder by now.
We are not AT ALL like an Islamic republic the Govt uses MONEY to beat and control people ,weapons are to obvious, easy to trace and would show responsability,they don't DO that.
Unlike the current admin they are QUITE good at secrecty or the American public would rise up.
AS is stands now they are all conspiracy theories and conjecture that are only proven OUTSIDE the US inflence and as such are onstantly dismissable by the system.

So what you are sying is that we dont beat Our own People. We dont have Death sentences. We dont send Our own to black sites prisons. And we dont kill Our own.

Jeese's,,, where are you educated?

The US is practically a police state now. Dont you pay attention?

a reply to: peskyhumans

Are you claiming that the Holocaust justifies everything the modern State of Israel has done?

On that basis, why didn't the Western powers carve out a piece of Northern India for the Roma?

Or a special homeland for the Poles and Slavs? Or how about the Jehovah's Witnesses?

How about the German Communists and Socialists?

Oh, and as to the "innocent and misunderstood Israelis" ...

International Criminal Court Opens Inquiries into Israeli Crimes in Gaza

... and thousands of other easily accessible citations.

You've got your patter down pat though Pesky ... let me guess ... is Israel "God's Special People" in your book?

a reply to: Gryphon66

It is true.
blogs.cfr.org...

Spetzaz ARE elite forces and YES they can circumvent survailance JUST like our elite forces do all the time for deep black operations.
www.washingtontimes.com... do pnetrate North Korea,we do perform operations in ALL disputed territories.
I won't forget my Drill telling us The United States Army is fighting and dying in places that you will never hear about.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: peskyhumans

Do you feel better after that rant? Whenever you feel ready to back your claims up with links instead of the standard Israeli rhetoric that we've all heard to justify Israel's transgressions would be great.

Perhaps you'd like to also justify why Israel is allowed to go against international law and be the only country with an unregistered nuclear arsenal while at the same time vehemently trying to keep another country from getting nuclear arms.

The burden of proof is on the accuser. Can you prove that Israel has committed genocide? Don't bother posting links - I won't read them. They haven't.

If Israel did have nuclear arms, I would be willing to trust them with them because the Israeli government is sane. The moment a bat# crazy terrorist like Ayatollah Khomenei gets his hands on them, they would be used.

How about if Israel sign the nuclear treaty that they refused to acknowledge years ago before pointing fingers at other countries!

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Okay, it is true ... but HOW ... how did Russian Special Forces move the massive amount of WMDs that were described by the Bush Administration into Syria with no one knowing? Were the satellites all turned off for months?

Also, what is the tactical military advantage that Iran would have in firing a nuke or two at any of its neighbors? That would merely justify its destruction.

a reply to: peskyhumans

Yes Kerry is a an idiot.

However I agree with a lot of posters who say that Iran can do what it wants. I am not of fan of Iran but that doesn't change the fact that we need to keep our nose out of their (and everyone else's) politics.

Seems pretty plain and simple to me.

-SAP-

originally posted by: peskyhumans
The burden of proof is on the accuser. Can you prove that Israel has committed genocide? Don't bother posting links - I won't read them. They haven't.

Now there's a rational response...lol.
Don't burden me with facts...my mind is made up!