Tampering with Primitive races - have we been retarded by aliens?

a reply to: SystemResistor

aww FFS - not this again .

ok the simple rebutal , if we are not smart enough to invent things - how did our " tutors " get thier ideas ? its an infinite regression trap .

at some point you must admit that we have creativity and inventivness - or-else you fall into the trap that " they " must be spoon feeding us EVERYTHING - in which case where are " they "

once you admit we have invented " something " independantly - then why not EVERYTHING ?

hint - everything that mankind has done has a logical progression of invention ind idea that leasds from nothing to what we have today

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
at some point you must admit that we have creativity and inventivness

Some people don't and then project this to mankind in general

a reply to: Develo

It is a long-term effect.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

I am not saying that we are not smart enough to invent anything, I am saying that when we are already given certain technologies, it does not necessitate us to develop such technologies on our own because we can already produce the items from the instructions.

If you read my OP it explains that we would have naturally figured these things out for ourselves over the process of millions of years, as opposed to simply being "gifted".

The only real evidence is that we are surrounded by items that we use but we do not intrinsically understand, such as computers that require a degree to understand. If our race had been building and programming computers for millions of years it would be second nature as opposed to something that needs to be learnt.

Why is it that the average person does not understand the Pentium chip?

Why is the understanding of computing technology limited to only a fraction of the population?

I am saying that we should be familiar using the computer as a tool to the extent that we can use rocks and string.

originally posted by: SystemResistor
a reply to: Develo

It is a long-term effect.

You have to be better than that, you explain nothing, you just say "I think it works like that" and when asked how it makes sense you basically answer "because".


Sorry, this "jealousy complex" sounds like BS to me. Maybe you can give us real-world examples of when it happened in the past? Since you claim it's a universal human trait...

a reply to: Develo

If you take a Rolls-Royce to an impoverished town, what do you think would happen?

If an alien race came here flaunting their technology, do you think we would not be bitter?

Would it change anything if we stole the designs to one of them?

originally posted by: roadgravel
Mankind spends too much time on wars. Limit that and more advancement will happen. Making better death machines isn't the referred to advancement.

Whether we were jump started by another life form, most of development is in our hands.

Actually, wars (and conflict, in general) have driven many, if not most, technological developments since the mid 1800s.

That and the space program. Tang... Yum... and I love the sound of velcro.

Go back further than the mid 1800s and war/conflict still drove many societal advances.

originally posted by: SystemResistor
a reply to: Develo

If you take a Rolls-Royce to an impoverished town, what do you think would happen?

If an alien race came here flaunting their technology, do you think we would not be bitter?

Would it change anything if we stole the designs to one of them?

originally posted by: SystemResistor
The only real evidence is that we are surrounded by items that we use but we do not intrinsically understand, such as computers that require a degree to understand. If our race had been building and programming computers for millions of years it would be second nature as opposed to something that needs to be learnt.

So it's what I was thinking, you are projecting.

I'm sorry you feel bad when you see people with fancier toys than you.

And I'm sorry you don't get our societies need specialization and this is why not everyone is a smith, a carpenter, a nuclear physicist or a computer specialist.

originally posted by: SystemResistor
The only real evidence is that we are surrounded by items that we use but we do not intrinsically understand, such as computers that require a degree to understand. If our race had been building and programming computers for millions of years it would be second nature as opposed to something that needs to be learnt.

Regardless of how long our 'race' (I think you mean species) has been building computers, or any other item, it would still have to be learned, unless you're saying that we would have evolved to be born with an in-depth understanding of computer science? Your theories don't make sense. Sorry.

Also, for the record, I do not have a degree, but I'm willing to bet that I know computers and programming better than 99% of the population. Just because you don't "intrinsically understand" them, doesn't mean that others don't.

a reply to: Develo

Are you saying that having such feelings is not the norm?

originally posted by: SystemResistor
a reply to: Develo

Are you saying that having such feelings is not the norm?

Are you saying you know how "the norm" feels?

Sorry, most people I know are not materialistic and not jealous of their neighbors achievement.

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

If I give you a box of components, labelled clearly, with written instructions on their assembly, you could construct a simple electronic device.

If a species had been using such technology for a substantial amount of time, its use and design would be innate, assuming of course that tool-use is innate.

In that way they could take a box of components and fabricate their own devices without having to read a manual.

originally posted by: SystemResistor
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance
If a species had been using such technology for a substantial amount of time, its use and design would be innate, assuming of course that tool-use is innate.

The study of chimp societies using tools have proved your assumption wrong (again).

Tool usage is cultural, not innate.

originally posted by: SystemResistor
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

If I give you a box of components, labelled clearly, with written instructions on their assembly, you could construct a simple electronic device.

If a species had been using such technology for a substantial amount of time, its use and design would be innate, assuming of course that tool-use is innate.

In that way they could take a box of components and fabricate their own devices without having to read a manual.

Humans have been making swords for millennia, so if I gave you a box with some sand and some coal, you would be able to make a sword with no additional instruction?

What if I gave you a box containing some sand, some wood, and some chalcopyrite ore, would you be able to make a sextant? By your logic you would, as you would have all the necessary components and we as a species have been using them for many millennia.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: SystemResistor
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

If I give you a box of components, labelled clearly, with written instructions on their assembly, you could construct a simple electronic device.

If a species had been using such technology for a substantial amount of time, its use and design would be innate, assuming of course that tool-use is innate.

In that way they could take a box of components and fabricate their own devices without having to read a manual.

Humans have been making swords for millennia, so if I gave you a box with some sand and some coal, you would be able to make a sword with no additional instruction?

What if I gave you a box containing some sand, some wood, and some chalcopyrite ore, would you be able to make a sextant? By your logic you would, as you would have all the necessary components and we as a species have been using them for many millennia.

Heck, humans have been using fire for almost 1 million years now, and yet most people are incapable of lighting one without matches, even if it's what humans have done for 1 million years.

The fact we lost this skill so quickly prove technology use is 100% cultural and 0% innate.


OP it's OK now, you don't need to defend this wobbly theory anymore than necessary. There is no shame in admitting it doesn't really hold up. You risk cognitive dissonance if you keep supporting it.

I would have to agree with the OP on this one. The more we learn about ourselves the more things don't add up. One of the most intriguing anomalies that displays this wonderfully is our Chromosomes. Geneticists are dumbfounded when they get down to our nitty gritty. Why do we only have 46 Chromosomes activated? Why are humans so much weaker than primates? Why do humans have so many genetic mistakes in our genetics. Some 4,000! These inconsistency are virtually unknown anywhere in the animal kingdom and universe at large. We must look deep inside to understand the truth. The truth is within each of us, as many of the ancient mystics said.

The annanuki labs, downgrading, crippling dna strands, but not completely, the ability to upgrade them, with positivity and growth of consciousness, (something the bloodlines and elites have kept coded in their religions, and away from common man they want to stay as slaves), though their methods are not as important as simply being loving. So they want to be supermen, but instead they're all the jokers and haven't progressed at all, they only can dominate lower hellish zones. Whoopee! Won nothing.

The only thing is, did they really tamper with primitive DNA? Or was it the Lyra group of humans, once on Tiamat before they destroyed it, and then a survivor group on mars, along with the different races on mars and in the solar system? Did they set earth up, which like ceres, was probably a moon of Tiamat, and moved here, as some kind of virtual reality game of wars, and pain and suffering, and then get trapped in the game. There are many theories about how they got trapped in the game. But it wasn't primitive dna that was downgraded. We weren't cavemen. I have memories of being from Lyra, a survivor group on mars from that planet they took out, and much longer journey knew we were Lyra, humans, much higher dna, telepathic, and established equality, technology.

The only thing is the snake group that dominates this solar system think they give us the technology, that they make edens or downgraded schools for us. The story they gave Sleeper/Lou Baldin, is that we're under their thumb.

And I countered with my own memories, not at all. Telepathy and having a heart the way humans do, tends to prohibit one from harming others, unless you're deliberately developing yourself along the left hand path here, which very few races and planets ever do, that is psychopathic.

Interesting. I do find some flaws but the main idea is sound. It is better for a culture to develop on its own rather than being boosted by a more advanced culture. Maybe if its done in tiny increments over a long period of time it could work.

Maybe that explains why, in the Bible, God was against the fallen angels teaching us all about civilization, like commerce, metallurgy, city building, etc that took place in the book of Enoch (if you consider it to be part of the Bible. If not then I believe these events are described, in less detail, in other places in the Bible).

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

He also said "with instructions". Besides, using some wires to connect a battery to a lightbulb, for example, is a lot more simple than making a sword, or building a fire from scratch even...

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

This occurs when a race has the capacity to think as a group, where access to the collective consciousness allows them to delve into their ancestral memories, likely to a time during one of their "past lives" where they had learnt to construct similar items.